Post-Game Talk: spOiler Alert: Edmonton loses

[PaulD]

FFS here we go the oiler fan mantra, start to shi* all over the best players on the team if they say or do anything and give the slugs a free pass or applause and always dfeend the horrible management of the team.

If there is anyone that deserves to complain it is mcdavid, he has been saddled with awful linemates most of his career that he makes look good and makes them money. Dragging around guys like kassian and chaisson and ty rattie year after year like boat anchors.

Yep.

Mario did that from 84 to around 88 . Must have played with 40 different 3rd line wingers.

 

[PaulD]

It's pretty amazing that whatever players we bring in via free agency are useless offensively. Kahun looks like our new Tobias Rieder and Turris our new Riley Sheahan. Hell even Barrie has been useless.

Thats because Barrie is useless.

 

[MessierII]

Thats because Barrie is useless.

No he’s not. Barrie is consistently productive offensive defensemen.

 

[Weitz]

Help is coming but it's down the road. I think that Broberg, Bouchard and Samorukov will be ready to help in supporting roles very soon, the problem is that we need someone in a lead role as well.

I don't think McDavid is waiting years for help. Missing the playoffs this year will really get the questions going.

 

[McJadeddog]

No he’s not. Barrie is consistently productive offensive defensemen.

He has not been that in his small sample with us as of yet. He has been part of the problem on the PP in fact, the very area he was supposed to help out in.

 

[McTonyBrar]

This board is so insufferable now. I’m leaving for the day.

 

[LTIR]

I would scratch Barrie just to see what we got in Bouchard.
Bouch has 20+ games under his belt already this season where he was relied on heavily. Much lesser league but he wouldnt be too rusty.

 

[MessierII]

He has not been that in his small sample with us as of yet. He has been part of the problem on the PP in fact, the very area he was supposed to help out in.

Fortunately 4 games doesn’t make a career. Everyone has been trash on the PP including mcdavid and Draisaitl.

 

[McJadeddog]

Fortunately 4 games doesn’t make a career. Everyone has been trash on the PP including mcdavid and Draisaitl.

Agreed. I think Barrie will turn around his PP play. Not so sure about ES play, but that is a different story, as that isn't what he is known for.

 

[Mr Positive]

Agreed. I think Barrie will turn around his PP play. Not so sure about ES play, but that is a different story, as that isn't what he is known for.

Actually I remember when 5 on 5 was his strength and PP was his weakness. His Av days. But this might have changed. I still wonder if he will emerge here as more of a top 4

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I would scratch Barrie just to see what we got in Bouchard.
Bouch has 20+ games under his belt already this season where he was relied on heavily. Much lesser league but he wouldnt be too rusty.

Scratch Larsson, play Bouchard, run Bear-Barrie-Bouchard down the right side.

Seems crazy, icing more than one or two defencemen that can make an outlet pass, but let's try it, just for shits and giggles.

 

[MessierII]

I would scratch Barrie just to see what we got in Bouchard.
Bouch has 20+ games under his belt already this season where he was relied on heavily. Much lesser league but he wouldnt be too rusty.

That’s more of a it’s been 25 games and we’ve only won 8 type of move.

 

[Aerchon]

I would scratch Barrie just to see what we got in Bouchard.
Bouch has 20+ games under his belt already this season where he was relied on heavily. Much lesser league but he wouldnt be too rusty.

I'm really pinning for this as well.

Barrie has been more bad than good while being slightly better than terrible.

I see Bouchard as the superior puck mover with an equal shot... and he can't really be that much worse defensively than Barrie... Can he?

 

[CycloneSweep]

I'm really pinning for this as well.

Barrie has been more bad than good while being slightly better than terrible.

I see Bouchard as the superior puck mover with an equal shot... and he can't really be that much worse defensively than Barrie... Can he?

?????
Barrie has had better possession numbers than Larsson (middle of the pack)
Has had the LOWEST goals against rates.
Has had the lowest high danger chances on the roster too.
He has, defensively been quite good. If you are going to pull anyone out for Bouchard, Bear or Larsson are your guys.
The only thing Barrie hasn't excelled with right now is offensively but that will come for him. I'm actually impressed with his current defensive ability.

 

[Aerchon]

?????
Barrie has had better possession numbers than Larsson (middle of the pack)
Has had the LOWEST goals against rates.
Has had the lowest high danger chances on the roster too.
He has, defensively been quite good. If you are going to pull anyone out for Bouchard, Bear or Larsson are your guys.
The only thing Barrie hasn't excelled with right now is offensively but that will come for him. I'm actually impressed with his current defensive ability.

To me this says numbers can prove anything.

To be clear. Not putting words in your mouth. Genuinely asking.

Do you think Barrie has played well defensively or otherwise?

He isn't falling apart like Jones. Or Larsson. Or Bear even. I think every defenseman we have fielded does not get a pass from me.

I look at Barrie to date and think he is not part of the solution moving forward. I think he needs to get off that PP asap.

Edit: I'm impressed he isn't a tire fire like everyone else but I don't think you can call Barrie body of defensive work this year as impressive. Splitting hairs but I'm curious.

 

[CycloneSweep]

To me this says numbers can prove anything.

To be clear. Not putting words in your mouth. Genuinely asking.

Do you think Barrie has played well defensively or otherwise?

He isn't falling apart like Jones. Or Larsson. Or Bear even. I think every defenseman we have fielded does not get a pass from me.

I look at Barrie to date and think he is not part of the solution moving forward. I think he needs to get off that PP asap.

I'm not saying he has played great or well.
I am saying he has played better consistently, than anyone not named Nurse or Koekkoek.
So pulling him out makes absolutely NO sense.
You don't pull your third best defender out for a rookie. You want to get the rookie in, pull someone who is playing worse out.

 

[Arpeggio]

I think Barrie looks pretty good defensively, I haven't noticed him in a bad way. He needs to get the offence going but frankly the entire team has been terrible for 3 out of 4 games, and they were completely shut down the last two games.

 

[Aerchon]

I'm not saying he has played great or well.
I am saying he has played better consistently, than anyone not named Nurse or Koekkoek.
So pulling him out makes absolutely NO sense.
You don't pull your third best defender out for a rookie. You want to get the rookie in, pull someone who is playing worse out.

Fair enough.

I think he needs off that PP and I suppose the best person to take his spot would be Nurse as they seem to be struggling with a RD and Nurse has had some success.

Bouchard in for someone else works for me. I actually don't think it matters who. I think we just need to see if the kid can one up the entire defense and actually be a positive influence on the game. By many accounts he is supposedly ready for prime time nhl. Not sure how he didn't get in the first round of changes.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Fair enough.

I think he needs off that PP and I suppose the best person to take his spot would be Nurse as they seem to be struggling with a RD and Nurse has had some success.

Bouchard in for someone else works for me. I actually don't think it matters who. I think we just need to see if the kid can one up the entire defense and actually be a positive influence on the game. By many accounts he is supposedly ready for prime time nhl. Not sure how he didn't get in the first round of changes.

They are struggling with a RD because they are still treating him like a left D.
Which you can tell cause Barrie is having to weirdly adapt and accept the puck.
Those players are all good enough to adapt to a RD, let him shoot.
Barrie isn't the problem on the PP, the other players not using him to his strengths and adapting to the change is the problem.

 

[Gunnersaurus Rex]

I hate the constant talk of putting RNH & Yamo on Drai's wings and leaving Connor with crap. How about you support the best player in the world and give him RNH & Yamo. We have yet to really see McDavid with 2 good wingers.
Put Drai with kahun & Puljujarvi
Kassian with Chaisson & Turris

 

[MessierII]

I hate the constant talk of putting RNH & Yamo on Drai's wings and leaving Connor with crap. How about you support the best player in the world and give him RNH & Yamo. We have yet to really see McDavid with 2 good wingers.
Put Drai with kahun & Puljujarvi
Kassian with Chaisson & Turris

One thing is proven to have worked one thing isn’t.

 

[Aerchon]

They are struggling with a RD because they are still treating him like a left D.
Which you can tell cause Barrie is having to weirdly adapt and accept the puck.
Those players are all good enough to adapt to a RD, let him shoot.
Barrie isn't the problem on the PP, the other players not using him to his strengths and adapting to the change is the problem.

Absolutely agree again.

Sports is completely results driven, as are most things. Should be fine with a RD is obvious but tgat it isn't succeeding is the reality. In a shortened season time is even less of a luxury.

I suspect Tippett has not had the proper plan/urgency required for the Oilers to modify their PP to fit properly. The simple solution would be to get a LD in there stat.

Klefbom was great on the PP but not exactly looking like the Lynch pin for historical best to worst.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Jones would be successful on that first unit more do than Barrie only because of handedness.

 

[Porkleaker]

You could always invite more ladies over, as you seem to like to do.

lol not with covid around.

 

[Canovin]

I hate the constant talk of putting RNH & Yamo on Drai's wings and leaving Connor with crap. How about you support the best player in the world and give him RNH & Yamo. We have yet to really see McDavid with 2 good wingers.
Put Drai with kahun & Puljujarvi
Kassian with Chaisson & Turris

The Oilers traded 2x 2nds for a winger for McDavid. Played Hall, Eberle, RNH, Drai etc with him. The organization has always put McDavid first. It's just hard to find someone to build chemistry with him

 

[Cloned]

lol not with covid around.

Just wear protection.

But in all seriousness, good on you for being cautious.