Special Teams Report Cards 2017/18

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  1. Gm0ney

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    Article up on the Athletic on the Jets PK woes: What is the problem with Winnipeg's penalty kill?

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    I mentioned this stat the other day - the Jets aren't just bad at limiting chances (xGA/60) on the PK, they're in a class of their own.

    "When it comes to giving up shots and shots with the highest chance of going in, Winnipeg is an island."

    Good news, everybody: "Overall, Winnipeg has played 24.23 minutes against 3F2D power plays and given up 86.7 shot attempts per 60 minutes while doing so. Thanks to impossibly sterling .950 save percentage and two shorthanded goals, Winnipeg is actually outscoring opposing 3F2D power plays."

    Bad news, everybody: "Against 4F1D power plays [this is where most of the minutes have been played], Winnipeg gives up 93.2 shots per 60 minutes, or just over three shots against every two-minute penalty kill. Worse than that, they give up 149.1 shot attempts per 60 minutes, roughly five shot attempts per two-minute kill. Those numbers are league leading — and not in the good way ... In short: Winnipeg gives up more shots, more shots from further away both as a total and as a proportion of all shots against, and more rebounds both as a total and as a percentage of total shots."

    There's a good rundown of what a typical Jets PK formation looks like and what each player is trying to do. He points out that the Jets PK is operating as designed (getting in shooting lanes, preventing cross-seam passes, 'keeping it to the outside'...but it's pretty easy to open up lanes with some movement) - the theory is to allow quantity vs. quality. Unfortunately: "In practice, the Jets are getting pillaged in terms of quantity and quality."
     
  2. Dayofthedogs

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    It appears to me the Jets PK strategy revolves around letting guys fire the puck at will from the top of the 2 circles including 1 timers at the expense of giving up any seam/cross ice plays to the middle or far boards.

    They literally sit there and let the guy at the top of the formation dish right and left for the top of circle one timers but rarely let anything go from one side to the other or into the slot.

    I'm not advocating for this as a good system but I'm curious if it has something to do with shot quality combined with allowing the goaltender to know where his shots will come from.

    Just a thought.
     
  3. Ducky10

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    That's definitely what they are doing, they prevented the cross seam really well last night, they kept their positions in that regard far better. They get opened up when the puck goes low to high to high though and while they are getting in a lot of shooting lanes they are still bleeding loads of shots and not exactly preventing traffic in front. I though they were very fortunate last night. The Flyers missed on a couple back door plays as well that you can't expect good teams to keep missing.

    The whole PK was pretty much predicated on Tanev being a kamikaze.
     
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  4. Aavco Cup

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    Two consecutive seam passes on this play

     
  5. Maukkis

    Maukkis PK's Sobbin'

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    PP1: Scheifele-Wheeler-Laine-Connor-Byfuglien
    PP2: Little-Ehlers-Perreault-Armia-Myers

    These were the units used last night with a healthy lineup. Opinions?
     
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    True, but Scheif was in position on the 1st one and actually got his stick on it to disrupt it. Trouba was clueless on that play, as he was much of the night.

    They largely did a good job blocking those seams.
     
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    The whole team was basically sleepwalking through the first ten minute
     
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    Agreed.
     
  9. Dayofthedogs

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    Yup. I maybe should have said the theory is to not allow those passes.
     
  10. Gm0ney

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    Yes, that's a breakdown of the system - but skilled players are going to get the puck moving around and slip a few of those through occasionally.
     
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    Speaking of PK, the Jets discipline is rapidly returning to their normal high-penalty style.

    After last night's game they're sitting at 3.83 times shorthanded per game - 7th worst in the league (NHL avg: 3.5, range: 2.24 - 4.72).
     
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    Buff got 2 bull**** tripping calls in that game.

    Can't believe philly didn't get called for slashing Kuli stick in half or tripping Ehlers in the last half of the 3rd period.

    NHL officials are maddeningly inconsistent. I have no idea what a penalty is in this league and I doubt the players do either.
     
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    I have noticed we're creeping up. I wonder how much of this is referre variation? Some refs call more penalties than others.

    But it sure does appear that team discipline is slipping away as the win total rises. False sense of security?
     
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    Morrissey in for Myers on PP2 please.
     
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    Even Trouba...ABM (anyone but Myers)
     
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    OK. Not that Myers is outright 'bad' there but we have better options.

    I might give some of Buff's PP1 time to Trouba and Morrissey too. Not all of it, or even most but a shift here and a shift there.
     
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    Progress report

    After 20 Games

    PP Opp - 66 (23rd 3.3/gm)
    GM 1-5 - 19
    GM 6-10 - 15
    GM 11-15 - 18
    GM 16-20 - 14

    Times SH - 74 (9th 3.7/gm)
    GM 1-5 - 21
    GM 6-10 - 15
    GM 11-15 - 19
    GM 16-20 - 19

    Penalty differential = (-8)
    GM 1-5 (-2)
    GM 6-10 (even)
    GM 11-15 (-1)
    GM 16-20 (-5)

    PPGF 15 - SHGA 1 = 14
    GM 1-5 (2-0=2)
    GM 6-10 (3-0=3)
    GM 11-15 (7-1=6)
    GM 16-20 (3-0=3)

    PPGA 16 - SHGF 4 = 12
    GM 1-5 (6-2=4)
    GM 6-10 (2-1=1)
    GM 11-15 (5-1=4)
    GM 16-20 (3-0=3)

    ST Goal Differential = (+2)
    GM 1-5 (-2)
    GM 6-10 (+2)
    GM 11-15 (+2)
    GM 16-20 (even)

    PP Efficiency - 22.7% (6th)
    GM 1-5 - 10.5%
    GM 6-10 - 20.0%
    GM 11-15 - 38.9%
    GM 16-20 - 21.4%

    PK Efficiency - 78.4% (21st)
    GM 1-5 - 71.4%
    GM 6-10 - 86.7%
    GM 11-15 - 73.7%
    GM 16-20 - 84.2%

    Combined = 101.1
    GM 1-5 = 81.9
    GM 6-10 = 106.7
    GM 11-15 = 112.6
    GM 16-20 = 105.6

    Games With Positive ST Goal Differential
    6

    Games With Negative ST Goal Differential
    4

    Games With Even ST Goal Differential
    10
     
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    To me the most troubling part of these numbers at the 1 qtr mark is how our penalty differential is creeping up. We'll never be team Lady Bing but it would be nice if we could at least get as many PP chances as we give up.

    I can actually see our PP keeping up this level. The PK #'s are not that great but they probably flatter us.
     
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    Progress report

    After 25 Games


    PP Opp - 85 (11th 3.4/gm)
    GM 1-5 - 19
    GM 6-10 - 15
    GM 11-15 - 18
    GM 16-20 - 14
    GM 21-25 - 19

    Times SH - 89 (6th 3.6/gm)
    GM 1-5 - 21
    GM 6-10 - 15
    GM 11-15 - 19
    GM 16-20 - 19
    GM 21-25 - 15

    Penalty differential = (-4)
    GM 1-5 (-2)
    GM 6-10 (even)
    GM 11-15 (-1)
    GM 16-20 (-5)
    GM 21-25 (+4)

    PPGF 20 - SHGA 2 = 18
    GM 1-5 (2-0=2)
    GM 6-10 (3-0=3)
    GM 11-15 (7-1=6)
    GM 16-20 (3-0=3)
    GM 21-25 (5-1=4)

    PPGA 20 - SHGF 4 = 16
    GM 1-5 (6-2=4)
    GM 6-10 (2-1=1)
    GM 11-15 (5-1=4)
    GM 16-20 (3-0=3)
    GM 21-25 ( 4-0=4)

    ST Goal Differential = (+2)
    GM 1-5 (-2)
    GM 6-10 (+2)
    GM 11-15 (+2)
    GM 16-20 (even)
    GM 21-25 (even)

    PP Efficiency - 23.5% (5th)
    GM 1-5 - 10.5%
    GM 6-10 - 20.0%
    GM 11-15 - 38.9%
    GM 16-20 - 21.4%
    GM 21-25 - 21.1%

    PK Efficiency - 77.5% (23rd)
    GM 1-5 - 71.4%
    GM 6-10 - 86.7%
    GM 11-15 - 73.7%
    GM 16-20 - 84.2%
    GM 21-25 - 73.3%

    Combined = 101.0
    GM 1-5 = 81.9
    GM 6-10 = 106.7
    GM 11-15 = 112.6
    GM 16-20 = 105.6
    GM 21-25 = 94.4

    Games With Positive ST Goal Differential
    8

    Games With Negative ST Goal Differential
    6

    Games With Even ST Goal Differential
    11

    Edited due to math error
     
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    Ugh, looks like we're creeping back into being in the top 5 more most penalized teams in the league, and PK is also still poor.

    Our powerplay is a lot better at least (when it can actually get set up)
     
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    Very interesting comments by Pascal Vincent when asked about the success of the Moose PK Moose banish Monsters in 7-1 win |

    Vincent says that they "did a very intense study this summer about the PK and changed a few things". Chevy has also alluded to the Jets diving deep into analytics this summer and as far as I know the Moose and the Jets use the same PK system (although I have only watched one Moose game). I think this might be the reason behind the Van Gogh shooting gallery that we are painting on the PK this season
     
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    I don't like the Jets PK system, but still think personnel is an issue.

    I'd like to see Lowry / Armia and Copp / Tanev. Hendricks isn't good, and he's not winning face offs enough.
     
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    Nope, that won't do. That is by far the best PK duo Jets can have. Their numbers from last year are from other world compared to any other PK duo this or last season.

    So it's illogical to put them together.

    Plus, someone will get his feelings hurt if Armia plays in both, PP and PK. So that's big NO NO.
     
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    Get Blake Wheeler off of PP1 update (among players with 20+ minutes):

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    Not only are the Lightning and Jets 1-2 in the standings. They're also 1-2 here

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