Special Teams Report Cards 2017/18

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Sep 5, 2013
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I'm going to do this every 5 games to chart progress. I'll keep my postings to just basic #'s but would welcome a "fancier" discussion if anyone wants to delve into and digest those sorts of stats.

After 60 Games

PP Opp - 210 (3rd 3.5/gm)
GM 1-5 - 19
GM 6-10 - 15
GM 11-15 - 18
GM 16-20 - 14
GM 21-25 - 19
GM 26-30 - 24
GM 31-35 - 18
GM 36-40 - 18
GM 41-45 - 18
GM 46-50 - 11
GM 51-55 - 17
GM 56-60 - 19

Times SH - 207 (5th 3.5/gm)
GM 1-5 - 21
GM 6-10 - 15
GM 11-15 - 19
GM 16-20 - 19
GM 21-25 - 15
GM 26-30 - 21
GM 31-35 - 17
GM 36-40 - 13
GM 41-45 - 17
GM 46-50 - 17
GM 51-55 - 13
GM 56-60 - 20

Penalty differential = (+3)
GM 1-5 (-2)
GM 6-10 (even)
GM 11-15 (-1)
GM 16-20 (-5)
GM 21-25 (+4)
GM 26-30 (+3)
GM 31-35 (+1)
GM 36-40 (+5)
GM 41-45 (+1)
GM 46-50 (-6)
GM 51-55 (+4)
GM 56-60 (-1)

PPGF 51 - SHGA 5 = 46
GM 1-5 (2-0=2)
GM 6-10 (3-0=3)
GM 11-15 (7-1=6)
GM 16-20 (3-0=3)
GM 21-25 (5-1=4)
GM 26-30 (8-0=8)
GM 31-35 (4-0=4)
GM 36-40 (3-1=2)
GM 41-45 (6-0=6)
GM 46-50 (2-0=2)
GM 51-55 (3-2=1)
GM 56-60 (5-0=5)

PPGA 37 - SHGF 6 = 31
GM 1-5 (6-2=4)
GM 6-10 (2-1=1)
GM 11-15 (5-1=4)
GM 16-20 (3-0=3)
GM 21-25 (4-0=4)
GM 26-30 (3-0=3)
GM 31-35 (3-0=3)
GM 36-40 (1-0=1)
GM 41-45 (2-0=2)
GM 46-50 (2-0=2)
GM 51-55 (2-0=2)
GM 56-60 (4-2=2)

ST Goal Differential = (+15)
GM 1-5 (-2)
GM 6-10 (+2)
GM 11-15 (+2)
GM 16-20 (even)
GM 21-25 (even)
GM 26-30 (+5)
GM 31-35 (+1)
GM 36-40 (+1)
GM 41-45 (+4)
GM 46-50 (even)
GM 51-55 (-1)
GM 56-60 (+3)

PP Efficiency - 24.1% (3rd)
GM 1-5 - 10.5%y
GM 6-10 - 20.0%
GM 11-15 - 38.9%
GM 16-20 - 21.4%
GM 21-25 - 21.1%
GM 26-30 - 33.3%
GM 31-35 - 22.2%
GM 36-40 - 16.7%
GM 41-45 - 33.3%
GM 46-50 - 18.2%
GM 51-55 - 17.4%
GM 56-60 - 26.3%

PK Efficiency - 82.1% (10th)
GM 1-5 - 71.4%
GM 6-10 - 86.7%
GM 11-15 - 73.7%
GM 16-20 - 84.2%
GM 21-25 - 73.3%
GM 26-30 - 85.7%
GM 31-35 - 82.4%
GM 36-40 - 92.3%
GM 41-45 - 88.2%
GM 46-50 - 88.2%
GM 51-55 - 84.6%
GM 56-60 - 80.0%

Combined = 106.2
GM 1-5 = 81.9
GM 6-10 = 106.7
GM 11-15 = 112.6
GM 16-20 = 105.6
GM 21-25 = 94.4
GM 26-30 = 119.0
GM 31-35 = 104.6
GM 36-40 = 109.0
GM 41-45 = 121.5
GM 46-50 = 106.4
GM 51-55 = 102.0
GM 56-69 = 106.3

Games With Positive ST Goal Differential
23

Games With Negative ST Goal Differential
15

Games With Even ST Goal Differential
22
 
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Aavco Cup

"I can make you cry in this room"
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After promising looking numbers in preseason, it now seems like the numbers are looking an awful lot like they did last season.
 

YWGinYYZ

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Jul 3, 2011
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@Aavco Cup - yeah, pretty disappointing so far. PP looked great in pre-season, but hasn't shown the same finish so far. We're quite a ways away from the combined 100% that you'd want to see.
 

King Woodballs

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Sep 25, 2007
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Turrible
Just down right turrible

Playoff teams aren't (normally) near this bad.
This has to change drastically (thanks captain obvious) of the jets want to be a playoff team.

Hopefully that happens, but I am not holding my breath
 

surixon

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Not a great start that's foresure. Then PK has come around a bit the last three games after being horrendous the first two.

I still have no idea why this team struggles so much on the pp given the talent level...
 

Deedog99

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Nov 22, 2016
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Not a great start that's foresure. Then PK has come around a bit the last three games after being horrendous the first two.

I still have no idea why this team struggles so much on the pp given the talent level...
Coaching
 
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Gm0ney

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Oct 12, 2011
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Paul Maurice's teams have never had good special teams over his 19 previous seasons. Don't know why we'd expect any different at this point.

But so far in this small sample, the Jets are 11th in CF/60 on the powerplay with 104. The Jets have enough creative offensive talent on the powerplay to push that up even if they're playing a non-optimal system. Anyway, I think the PP is actually okay and it's just variance at this stage.

Unfortunately, the Jets continue to bleed shot attempts and high danger chances on the penalty kill. 2nd worst CA/60 in the league with 125/60. 7th worst in high danger chances against with 30 - so averaging 1 high danger chance-against per 2 minute penalty kill. Not good. I'd say our PK efficiency is reflective of the chances being given up.
 
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HighFlyingJets

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We should also include the teams record within that five game span to see how effective the special teams score card rates to the record in the games played.

3-2-0.

Can't disagree our team needs to execute better in both areas. I'm not thrilled with our structure. Laine has been more of a liability as a point man at this point in the season. Causing multiple clearings and bad decisions from the point and halfwall (left side). I fully expect him to gear up though.
 

YWGinYYZ

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We should also include the teams record within that five game span to see how effective the special teams score card rates to the record in the games played.

3-2-0.

Why? All it points to is that the Jets can score at 5v5. If they can do that AND improve their special teams (which were horrific last year), do you not think they might have a better record instead?

I see no issue with bringing up the special teams - it really has nothing to do with berating them in spite of the win record: it has to do with wanting more from a fairly talented line-up that SHOULD be doing better on the PK/PP, to increase their chances of winning.

Even you believe there's improvement to be made. Why not attempt to garner every advantage possible, given how much parity exists in the league.
 

Dayofthedogs

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I think I'd like to see Poolman on the 2nd PP. His ability to get pucks through traffic has impressed me. He also seems to make smart plays when the lane to the net isn't open. Also, JoMo not Myers if we run 2D on that unit please.

Trouba has also been less than good there.

Can't see what we have to loose here. I'd like to see a shake up on the second unit.

Connor-Little-Armia
Poolman-Ehlers
 
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Kaako Kappo

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I'd just like to point out that i said many times that besides us scoring on PP in preseason, it still looked like absolute crap. Can't teach old dog new tricks i guess. Maurice has always had bad special teams, no reason it would suddenly change.
 
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Aavco Cup

"I can make you cry in this room"
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We have 3SH goals so far and we're nowhere near the top in minor penalties taken.
 

Unholy goalie

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OK how weird is this.

Jets PP has scored 2 goals on 20 chances for a 10% efficiency rate

Jets PK has scored 3 goals on 24 chances for a 12.5% efficiency rate

You know you have a problem when your PK outscores your PP and the PK is at the bottom of the league.

Well.. I guess we're icing only 3 guys on the PP from now on, just to give ourselves a better chance at scoring. PP1 --> Tanev, Armia, Myers :help:
 
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Guffman

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Tor: 2 PPGA, lost by 5
Cal: 2 PPGA, 1 SHGF, 1 PPGF, net 0, lost by 3
Edm: 1 PPGF, won by 3
Van: 1 PPGA, 1 SHGF, net 0, won by 2
Car: 1 PPGA, won by 1
Col: 1 SHGF, lost by 3

Well, special teams hasn’t impacted any games yet.
 

Aavco Cup

"I can make you cry in this room"
Sep 5, 2013
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You know you have a problem when your PK outscores your PP and the PK is at the bottom of the league.

Well.. I guess we're icing only 3 guys on the PP from now on, just to give ourselves a better chance at scoring. PP1 --> Tanev, Armia, Myers :help:

We certainly play high event hockey when we're down a man ;)
 

Dayofthedogs

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OK how weird is this.

Jets PP has scored 2 goals on 20 chances for a 10% efficiency rate

Jets PK has scored 3 goals on 24 chances for a 12.5% efficiency rate

I'd say unbelievable.... but it actually happened. Wonder what our sh% is on the PK. 100?

We've had chances for a couple more. Matthias and Chef had breaks.
 

Bob E

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Tor: 2 PPGA, lost by 5
Cal: 2 PPGA, 1 SHGF, 1 PPGF, net 0, lost by 3
Edm: 1 PPGF, won by 3
Van: 1 PPGA, 1 SHGF, net 0, won by 2
Car: 1 PPGA, won by 1
Col: 1 SHGF, lost by 3

Well, special teams hasn’t impacted any games yet.
I’d argue it impacted the Leafs game.

Jets were outplaying the Leafs badly then PPGA and a 3rd goal against on delayed penalty call. Game over. But it started well.
 

Guffman

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I’d argue it impacted the Leafs game.

Jets were outplaying the Leafs badly then PPGA and a 3rd goal against on delayed penalty call. Game over. But it started well.

I’d argue that the team’s psyche is rather terrible if a momentum shift results in a 7-2 collapse.
 

Maukkis

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Mar 16, 2016
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For reference...

2016-17

PP%: 18.18
PK%: 77.45

PPOF: 264 (3.22/G)
PPOA: 275 (3.35/G)

= penalty differential of -11

PPGF: 48
PPGA: 62
SHGF: 10
SHGA: 9

= goal differential of -13
 

PhilJets

Winnipeg is Good
Jun 24, 2012
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Somewhere nice
Coach mo sticks to his vets even though they are not prolific or not even above average power play producers throughout their careers.

IF he has the guts he will use all the young guns that can create on his PP1 and use all his vets in PP2.
But he probably won't until it's too late again.
 

Festinator

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Apr 6, 2016
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OK how weird is this.

Jets PP has scored 2 goals on 20 chances for a 10% efficiency rate

Jets PK has scored 3 goals on 24 chances for a 12.5% efficiency rate
This is going on reddit

I guess one positive we can take from all this is, we are in fact taking a lot fewer penalties.
 

ps241

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Thanks Aavco nice to have the numbers in one place like this and the discussion.
 

ps241

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Paul Maurice's teams have never had good special teams over his 19 previous seasons. Don't know why we'd expect any different at this point.

But so far in this small sample, the Jets are 11th in CF/60 on the powerplay with 104. The Jets have enough creative offensive talent on the powerplay to push that up even if they're playing a non-optimal system. Anyway, I think the PP is actually okay and it's just variance at this stage.

Unfortunately, the Jets continue to bleed shot attempts and high danger chances on the penalty kill. 2nd worst CA/60 in the league with 125/60. 7th worst in high danger chances against with 30 - so averaging 1 high danger chance-against per 2 minute penalty kill. Not good. I'd say our PK efficiency is reflective of the chances being given up.

Thanks this adds to the quality of information. I will be interested to keep getting this information as the sample size grows.
 

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