Sorry , we are the softest team in the NHL

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    Did you see yesterday when Jeff Carter walloped Kerfoot and then looked around expecting some sort of confrontation of Leafs coming to their teammates aid, but Leafs players simply scattered like Leafs Leaves in the wind?

    This also been the case in past games where Matthews, Barrie and others took big hits and no response.

    When this kind of stuff ends up on game film its becomes a road map for the opposition on how to beat the Leafs, particularly if this were a playoff series.
     
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    1. The team that made that hit lost.
    2. Completely clean hit, as Kerfoot said in his intermission interview
    3. Reilly went after the player and almost gave up a odd man rush because of it.
    At least look at the entire thing and be accurate
     
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    Sorry. I may not be explaining myself well.

    Those facets were the small margin that separated the teams. They will separate evenly matched and healthy teams.

    We don’t win the grit game. Large or small margin. When you don’t win the grit game it is a disadvantage.
     
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    ACC1224 Keeping it real, someone has to.

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    Yeah that stuff is disappointing particularly the hit on Kerfoot and no response like you mentioned.

    I was surprised LA didn't do more of that. Seemed for the most part like a fairly tame game.
     
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    You make good points to support you opinion.

    I think I make good points to support my opinion.

    Honestly think we are just never going to agree on this.
     
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    I'd say that the way we lost game 7 in both those playoffs showed perfectly that Boston has a higher level of compete than we do.

    So did TB get creamed in the playoffs because they didn't feel like competing or did they just forget to hit the ON switch?

    I think it's a bit more complicated than you're making it out to be.
     
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    Not sure the Kerfoot example is a good one as that was a 100% legal hit. You have to have your head up and be aware of your surroundings or you're liable to get hit the way he did and when that happens you deserve it, that's the bottom line.

    I agree there is a problem, I just think there have been better examples.
     
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    ACC1224 Keeping it real, someone has to.

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    Guys are taken to task all over the league for clean hits. That's been going on for quite sometime now.
     
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    If you say so, I mostly just watch the Leaf games. Seems silly to me though, clean open ice hits are a part of the game, nothing wrong with that. Now cheap shots are another story, so is people running your goaltender. Open ice hits, meh. I mean maybe the one on Tavares cause he's the captain but if your 3rd line centre isn't paying attention and gets hit, that's no reason to go to war IMHO.
     
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    I agree that it shouldn't happen on a clean hit but it has been a thing in the league for quiet some time.
     
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    A player's stature shouldn't affect whether or not a teammate sticks up for him.
     
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    When I refer to Tampa it is more of a comparison to how amazing they were last season vs the slow start this season. I'm not saying it's an ON/OFF Switch.

    In your opinion is Tampa full of non compete players (similar to what posters are saying about Leafs players) or are they just not bringing it right now ?

    IMO it's very easy to see that the core of players can play with a very high compete level. The complected part is getting them to play with that level all the time.

    This entire argument stems from posters wanted the GM to "Trade for tougher players", which IMO not the issue.

    This team can be amazing, they need to learn to bring it every shift, like some other team have learnt to do (and teams like TB are struggling with, but will figure it out).
     
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    Exactly this.

    Reilly actually went after the player (didn't do anything, more of just a talk), but he almost gave up an odd man rush over it.

    Go after guys for dirty hits (Wilson in the game vs Washington), clean hits you just end up with a good chance against you or take a penalty and hurt your team.
     
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    plenty of grizzled posters agree, myself included, the young in's not so much.
     
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    Didn't notice that live but just saw the video and you're right Reilly did.
     
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    It will take 3 to 4 years of growth for the CAP to catch up to the current massively inflated CAP due to the escalator. The players have decided not to continue using the escaltor. But the CAP should go up in 4 years.
     
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    IMO legal hits are fine and require no retribution. I'm just saying that if there ever is a time to retaliate for a legal hit, it would be in defence of a star player/captain.

    I'm not sure what's going on with TB. It might just be that after last year, they don't care much about the regular season and they'll get going eventually. We've seen this syndrome before (WSH being a recent example).

    I agree we don't need "tougher players", we just need to get the most out of the players we have. Maybe we just have to "figure it out", maybe the players are sick of the coach, really not sure. It's a tough thing this coach issue. On one hand, I get it when people say that players are paid to play so they should be giving full effort all the time, I mean how can anyone possibly argue with that. On the other hand, if you have a coach who can't relate at all to his players, who just sucks all the fun out of game and doesn't utilize his players properly, it's hard to play with the enthusiasm required to perform at the highest level. Hockey is a business but it's also a game and if the players feel like it's not fun any more, it's hard to see how they can be all they can be.

    If it is the coach (and I suspect it is), then I hope he's gone soon.

    I would add that to a certain degree it is an on/off switch, but it's not as simple as flipping the switch - you also have to know and be able to shift to that high gear and keep it there. That's not easy, that takes time to figure out so that's a part of it too.

    Fire the coach, replace him with Keefe and my guess the players just might start having fun again AND that would lead to them bonding and sticking up for each other.
     
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    Have you ever seen anything like it? Kerfoot was even applauding him for the hit. You cannot make this stuff up. It's hilarious.
     
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    Can't disagree with any of that.

    Coaching changes can definitely spark players. I don't know if this is the right move to make, but usually the next one that happens.

    After coaching change if the compete level never comes up, the players know they are next.
     
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    Last nights game didn’t do anything to alter my stance on this very very gross problem .
    Kerfoot took that vicious clean but very viscous hit and the response ... fakkk all
    That was disgusting
    Nothin , nada , boooo
    It was Carter .. Freakin Carter !
    Next up
    Mathews , Marner , Anderson
    Stretcher time folks
    Shaking my head
    Nada
    Makes me sick to see our player take that without a response ...
     
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    Agree with Martin, but he probably used Komarov too much late in his last year here, considering his injury.

    And by the way, Martin and Komarov have each played only three games during the current 10 game win streak, due to injury and illness respectively.

    But I agree - we need a couple of that type of player.
     
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    So, my biggest problem isnt that we are not "tough" enough, unless you mean forechecking and stealing pucks is what is meant by tough. I honestly am okay with not flooring the others, as long as we had a PP that actually took advantage of the penalties. We have a real problem with the structure, and i blame Dubas for his philosphy, he doesnt seem to rate it, I know Babs does, but what we need for this team is the perfect balance between grit/forechecking/puck stealing and skill, but Dubas doesnt think this way. I dont know how he got the job
     
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    Not easy to find physical players who can play the game and take a roster spot
     
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    WOW!!!! you just don't effen get it

    do you realise how jack ass you sound here???

    good teams,PROPER teams have all TEAMMATES BACKS!

    not some elitist/selective "you are worth it" thing.
     
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    boston shipped out Kessel/seguin/hamilton all skill no heart/jam (nylander types)and all thought them to be nuts for doing it

    how they looking now?
     
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