Sorry , we are the softest team in the NHL

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  1. GoonieFace

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    I think the two things go hand in hand. In order to compete hard every night you have to be tough, physically and mentally. Toughness has nothing to do with fighting by the way, as some people seem to think. But refusing to engage in any physical contact is not the way to build a successful team
     
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    ToneDog It's our time

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    Hence why I said I was puzzled that they did not play the same as they did in game #2. Perhaps because Kadri was out or the league warned them ??

    Off topic I think the Bruins would welcome another matchup with the Leafs (they know how to win in the playoffs) whereas slaying the dragon would be in the Leafs' heads. Lots can change in 5 months but if they were to meet today, Bruins in 5.
     
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    ACC1224 Keeping it real, someone has to.

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    This guy gets it. :clap:
     
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    Yes. It was definitely part of it. But i may have a different definition of toughness to others.
    I personally don't think toughness overrated. Certainly not by the majority of NHL organizations. I do think it is criminally underrated by the Leafs brass though. They'll figure it out as some point though.
     
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    The fact is you have to win two ways in the playoffs. I'm not sure the Leafs are soft. But I am certain they can only win one way.
     
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    The team can play physical (proved it in playoffs). They just need to start playing it game in and game out.

    Coaching goes a long way in that (When it's a team wide thing). Players need to be held responsible to an extent as well.
     
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    This. I'm so sick of watching Nylander skate into the offensive zone and do his stupid little pull back manuever because he's too afraid to brace himself for a hit/check.
     
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    Everyone said that last year before game 1 too.
     
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    We might be in the minority here though. I'm guessing the line is drawn by age.
     
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    Yeah but it looks great on the advanced stats spreadsheet that Dubas has wallpapered all over his house.
     
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    I don't really know where this new ideology came from because i haven't seen it prevalent across any other fanbase.
     
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    ToneDog It's our time

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    Everybody ?? Initially most were taking the Bruins but I recall many started giving the Leafs a chance as they got closer to the playoffs. Unfortunately many did not know that Gards and Dermott were playing wounded.

    Today the Bruins look much better (the perfection line is lighting it up) while this Leaf team is playing worse. Our D and goal tending and our $40 million quartet have been less than stellar. Something needs to change in the next 5 months or it will be the same old same old.
     
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    ToneDog It's our time

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    I think being or not being a disciple of Dubas has something to to do with it. God knows Dubas' vision cannot be wrong.
     
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    They were singing a different tune after 5 games had been played.
     
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    Will be the same old same old doubters going into the playoffs who throw their 180s once the Leafs play well.

    I agree they need to play better, but doesn't change the fact that most thought Leafs were going to be beat out easily last season, and they ended up being Boston's toughest competition along their road to the Finals.

    This team can be that good, they just need to learn to compete game in and game out. If it's an entire team issue, it comes down to coaching, but as of now both coaches and players deserve some blame.
     
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    The self proclaimed "Realists" are just negative until they have no more legs to stand on.

    Again, I agree they need to play better, but the team as constructed today can be a great team. Just need to learn to bring it every night.

    They don't need "tough guys", they can all compete when they want to.
     
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    That's leads us back to Nylander I guess...
     
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    What about the cycle and the pressure on the defense?
     
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    They'll be fine once they get rid of Hainsey and Zaitsev
     
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    On there's plenty of reason to be negative, playing like crap since the beginning of Jan, team looking listless so far this season, toughness if it was an issue before is more of an issue now with Kadri gone etc.

    Sure we're probably better than we've shown so far but how much better isn't clear to me at all. If someone told me that we'd play much better going forward, finish around 7-8th overall and get bounced in the 1st round again, that wouldn't surprise me one bit and no, I wouldn't be satisfied with that at all.

    Maybe they can compete when they want to, dunno, But if they can, then why don't they? I'm not sure a winning attitude is something that's easily turned on/off like a light-bulb. I'm not sure players with a winning attitude are even capable of playing in a disinterested fashion for an extended length of time TBH.
     
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    You can probably fix this issue fairly easily and quickly. There is a scarcity league wide when it comes to aggressive players. It's not just a Leafs problem. But, they are still a very soft team. They have the assets to do it, it comes down to Dubas wanting to do it.

    As a highly regarded arm-chair GM I see so many deals that could help with this.
     
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    I don't think Dubas is anti-toughness per se. The issue is more if they can play hockey or not. Look how the Ben Harpur experiment failed before the start of regular season. The problem is that those "tough guys" in question (Josh Anderson, Boone Jenner, Ryan O'Reilly, Tom Wilson etc) would cost a premium, and also drive up the price as 29 other tems would be interested in them as well if guys like them ever became available.

    Guys like McQuaid, Simmonds, Lucic (obviously) are not the kind of toughness that Dubas is looking for.
     
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    We did have a guy like that and he traded him when we needed to add more already. Fans were calling for grit in the summer. Now, we need a few moves to correct the issue. Not just one or two.
     
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    Never liked the Martin trade. He filled a team need and Babcock chose to sit him in the press box instead of letting him do the job that he was brought in for. They were other alternatives to trim cap space without sacrificing our only face puncher who wasn't a liability on the 4th line. As for Kadri, I wouldn't say he is "tough", but more of an agitator. Remember Ovi giving him a sunset flip during the playoffs like it was nothing? :laugh:
     
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    ToneDog It's our time

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    I find it ironic that these players are valued by the league and require a premium yet we do not have or "need" any.
     
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