Something fundamentaly flawed about Damphousse thought process

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kerrly

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jericholic19 said:
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! With a 40 mill cap, Colorado, Toronto, and the NYR will make huge sums of money while Calgary, Nashville, Carolina will only be able to break even, or make a profit with a good playoff run. This lockout is ALL ABOUT THE RICH CLUBS. Read what the Redwings have been saying. Read what Ed Snider has been saying. These bic clubs weren't fine with the last agreement because they feared the value of their franchises has diminished quite a bit. Now they want to raise the stock of their team so that, if in the event they want to sell it, they'll make a pretty penny.

Btw, many of the large market teams have been fairly responsible with their money. It has only been a few bad apples that have raised player salaries: Boston, NYR, Carolina, Montreal, Anaheim are the ones that come to mind. How many of those clubs are part of the large market clubs??? Get your facts straight fans. This lockout isn't about improving competitive balance. Nor is it to reduce the ticket prices. Nor is it all about saving the small markets. This lockout is only about the rich becoming richer at the expense of the fans.

So when you say to us to get our facts straight. That means you want us to agree to your OPINIONS. Sorry, if you prove to me that any of your opinions are fact, I might give it a thought. Until that happens I will go on believing what I think is the truth, and the blame game isn't one of them.
 

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Hockey_Nut99 said:
I don't think most people care that the owners will become richer. That's a given. If they already make money, they will make tons more with a cap. Players are a different story. They actually play on our teams. We watch them. There isn't competitive balance in the NHL. Nobody remembers second place. Screw the people who say "well uhhh geeeezz uhhhh..There were like 12 different teams in the conference finals the last 3 years!!"....Besides Tampa Bay, who won? ALways Detroit,New Jersey, Colorado, Or dallas the last 10 years!!

Good point, and the fact that with the league in the current state that it is. Most of these teams will only be able to stay in second place for one season until there team is torn apart. Thats alot of fun for the fans who have watched a decent team being put together.
 

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jericholic19 said:
This lockout is only about the rich becoming richer at the expense of the fans.

:lol


Every owner of an NHL team is rich.
 

Cole Caulifield

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jericholic19 said:
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! With a 40 mill cap, Colorado, Toronto, and the NYR will make huge sums of money while Calgary, Nashville, Carolina will only be able to break even, or make a profit with a good playoff run. This lockout is ALL ABOUT THE RICH CLUBS. Read what the Redwings have been saying. Read what Ed Snider has been saying. These bic clubs weren't fine with the last agreement because they feared the value of their franchises has diminished quite a bit. Now they want to raise the stock of their team so that, if in the event they want to sell it, they'll make a pretty penny.

Btw, many of the large market teams have been fairly responsible with their money. It has only been a few bad apples that have raised player salaries: Boston, NYR, Carolina, Montreal, Anaheim are the ones that come to mind. How many of those clubs are part of the large market clubs??? Get your facts straight fans. This lockout isn't about improving competitive balance. Nor is it to reduce the ticket prices. Nor is it all about saving the small markets. This lockout is only about the rich becoming richer at the expense of the fans.

While I agree this isn't about reducing tickets prices and that it isn't about the fans either I disagree that the league is doing this for the big market teams. Detroit, Toronto and Philadelphia would like nothing better than for the NHL to resume under the old CBA. They were making money. This long lockout is not a good thing for them. Sure if the players are willing to bend for a cap system almost right away, those owners are happy campers. But you can bet they aren't willing to go without hockey for one full season to get that cost certainty.

It indeed is about the small markets too. The argument that the big market teams would make out like bandits if there was a cap doesn't prove in any way that this is not about the small market teams.

Also the argument that big market teams aren't the sole source of problems was made earlier by John Flyers Fan, and I agree but they're also a part of it.

And when you say the habs, I've got to say I disagree. You can only possibly point to 3 contracts the habs have signed : Theodore, Brisebois and Rivet. First let me shoot down Theodore. I think it's understandable that after a hart and vezina season and relatively good playoffs you're going to cash in. It's not our fault if Nabokov and co later used this contract. Then Brisebois was about to become an UFA, and was coming of a very good season. If we had not signed that deal, he likely would have got it elsewhere. Then you have Rivet at about 2.5 average for 5 years. This is not a good deal, but not the cause of much problems.
 

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jericholic19 said:
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! With a 40 mill cap, Colorado, Toronto, and the NYR will make huge sums of money while Calgary, Nashville, Carolina will only be able to break even, or make a profit with a good playoff run. This lockout is ALL ABOUT THE RICH CLUBS. Read what the Redwings have been saying. Read what Ed Snider has been saying. These bic clubs weren't fine with the last agreement because they feared the value of their franchises has diminished quite a bit. Now they want to raise the stock of their team so that, if in the event they want to sell it, they'll make a pretty penny.

Btw, many of the large market teams have been fairly responsible with their money. It has only been a few bad apples that have raised player salaries: Boston, NYR, Carolina, Montreal, Anaheim are the ones that come to mind. How many of those clubs are part of the large market clubs??? Get your facts straight fans. This lockout isn't about improving competitive balance. Nor is it to reduce the ticket prices. Nor is it all about saving the small markets. This lockout is only about the rich becoming richer at the expense of the fans.

You forgot the other end, the minimum salary.... how do you think they are gonna get there?
 

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Detroit, Toronto and Philadelphia would like nothing better than for the NHL to resume under the old CBA. They were making money.


Mike Ilitch has lost money over the past two seasons.
 

Cole Caulifield

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Reilly311 said:
Mike Ilitch has lost money over the past two seasons.

Yeah ? Is that confirmed in the Levitt report ? Even if it is, how can you be so sure ?

Even if it's true, Illitch is a guy who loves hockey. He loves his team and for him it's not a business venture, it's a passion. But you can't have 30 guys with Ilitch's motivations and financial situation. That's an utopy.
 

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Here is how the NHL works right now. Here in Edmonton we made a decision and got Curtis Joseph. The guy is stellar for us. We upset Dallas in 97 and then Colorado in 98. When Josephs contract is up they know it will be hard keeping him. Hmmm. Who comes along? The Might Maple Leafs. Offer Joseph a 4 year 24 Million dollar contract. Bye Bye Joseph. It was nice seeing you. Now what do we do? The Oilers made a good move and got Salo (who was good b4 that olympic goal). Now the Oilers are building the goalies through their system.

Joseph Bolts out of Toronto for Greener Pa$ture$..Uh Oh! Toronto lost a star goalie!! Oh well. Just throw some big money at Belfour. Problem Solved! Not every team can do that.

Detroit..."We have to win the cup. We need a goalie" Oh lets just sign Hasek. Poof they win the cup (He was a huge part)....You guys call this parity? A team shouldn't have to rely on it's own farm system 100%..Only small market teams have to. Ottawa has, so far, done this well along with some good trades. New Jersey too. The big clubs inflate salaries becasue they just can, and the big clubs have the chances to fill their mistakes by throwing money at players (if the right players are out there).
 

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Vinny and the PA executive(Linden and co) have been hanging out with Bob Goodenow too long... he has continued to preach and they continue to listen... after awhile it all makes sense and you cannot see the forest through the trees. It worked for 10 years guys, you had a great run, it's over now, admit it and move on, negotiate the best deal you can and go back to work, because as of right now your pay stub has ZEROES on it...the owners have learned from their mistakes, you guys should also! :teach:
 

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John Flyers Fan said:
The Flyers signed Gagne to his deal, after the Lightning had given out the ridiculous deal to Brad Richards, which gave Gagne something to compare himself to.

And note that "ridiculous" deal was the Conn Smythe winner, and is the main reason that Tampa is wearing ostentatious Cup rings.

It doesn't matter who did what first. All that counts is that market X does something that they think makes sense, and market Y is affected. It's irrelevant whether it's big market affects little market, little market affects big market, mid-market affects mid-market etc.

It's a flawed system that must be changed.
 

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Hockey_Nut99 said:
Here is how the NHL works right now. Here in Edmonton we made a decision and got Curtis Joseph. The guy is stellar for us. We upset Dallas in 97 and then Colorado in 98. When Josephs contract is up they know it will be hard keeping him. Hmmm. Who comes along? The Might Maple Leafs. Offer Joseph a 4 year 24 Million dollar contract. Bye Bye Joseph. It was nice seeing you. Now what do we do? The Oilers made a good move and got Salo (who was good b4 that olympic goal). Now the Oilers are building the goalies through their system.

Joseph Bolts out of Toronto for Greener Pa$ture$..Uh Oh! Toronto lost a star goalie!! Oh well. Just throw some big money at Belfour. Problem Solved! Not every team can do that.

Detroit..."We have to win the cup. We need a goalie" Oh lets just sign Hasek. Poof they win the cup (He was a huge part)....You guys call this parity? A team shouldn't have to rely on it's own farm system 100%..Only small market teams have to. Ottawa has, so far, done this well along with some good trades. New Jersey too. The big clubs inflate salaries becasue they just can, and the big clubs have the chances to fill their mistakes by throwing money at players (if the right players are out there).

On the other hand, teams like Detroit, Flyers and Leafs are more successful so they deserve the right to be able to pay more for players. Teams that struggle to make the playoffs shouldnt be given cash from the rich teams just so they can compete. They have to be successful and win several rounds to build up the money to afford better players.

The worst teams already get the better younger player, its their fault they cannot compete with other teams. This is coming from a guy whose football team were within days of going out of business.
 
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