I hope he develops, but so far he hasn't made the impact he was prdicted to make.
But with Mbappe, Aouar and Upa in his birth year, good luck being in the top 3 though. Kounde probably gets voted in front of him as well.
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I hope he develops, but so far he hasn't made the impact he was prdicted to make.
But with Mbappe, Aouar and Upa in his birth year, good luck being in the top 3 though. Kounde probably gets voted in front of him as well.
he started playing really well towards the end of last year. has been in great form to start this year.
I hope he develops, but so far he hasn't made the impact he was prdicted to make.
But with Mbappe, Aouar and Upa in his birth year, good luck being in the top 3 though. Kounde probably gets voted in front of him as well.
out of the players on this list, who should be the next frenchmen celtic should sign? preferably someone who was raised within 30 miles of the eiffel tower.
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Rodrygo's elastico. Yes, I know nothing happened out of this, but I like tricks.
Rayan Cherki played his first game with Lyon's second team in National 2 (4th french level). He also scored in his first game.
Nothing earth-shattering so far would you say.
Well, he's fourteen.
Nothing earth-shattering so far would you say.
Well, he's fourteen.
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yet another Fluminense's academy product, Pedro (21y old) is a very nice striker. Leads Brasileirao in goals (10 in 15 games). Kid reminds me of Giroud with better finishing. Just scored a screamer
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If true, he's yours as Fluminense asked Valencia 12m euros for him some weeks ago.
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I don't understand how this guy could be available for so low..
He is amazing from what I've seen. Young, good size, clinical finisher.
I don't get why there is not much hype around here.
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It's not that low when you consider it's what they got for Richarlison (12,5M + 10% over Watford's profit in a new sell). Pedro being a late bloomer with no youth NT caps doesn't help, either. If he gets called up by Tite next Friday his value should skyrocket.
I like him a lot, he's a very underrated passer too. That pass was fantastic:
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Do you mind giving your opinion of William Bianda? I've honestly got no idea what to think. He seems kinda raw in the friendlies/practices I've watch, which is to be expected for an 18 year old.
Monchi spent 6 million with another potential 5 in bonuses , and I think he only played 5 games with the 1st team at Lens.
Do you see something in this kid?
Do you mind giving your opinion of William Bianda? I've honestly got no idea what to think. He seems kinda raw in the friendlies/practices I've watch, which is to be expected for an 18 year old.
Monchi spent 6 million with another potential 5 in bonuses , and I think he only played 5 games with the 1st team at Lens.
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If you are scouting Lens, I would want to hear about Modibo Sagnan as well please
So, I have a little more time to answer.
Bianda I have never sen him play for Lens. I don't watch L2 as often as I used to do and Bianda almost never played for Lens either. Looking it up, he has 5 career L2 games.
I have seen him in youth selections though. I liked him in the few minutes I saw him. He didn't have a great asset that made him incredible, but he was smart, strong, fast enough, good passing skills to stretch defenses.
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That's more than I've gotten from any Roma outlets. France is so loaded these days, I wasn't even sure if he was on the radar.
Apparently we're not sending him on loan , and we're keeping around the 1st team until the winter mercato and reassessing from there. I'd be pretty shocked if he found any minutes as a teenager , but Roma's collection of CB's isn't exactly great.
We haven't had a really young CB play serious minutes since Marquinhos - who was a bit of a freak , and we had a far weaker roster at the time.
I appreciate you taking the time, thanks.
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I am working on this piece for a football website. Might as well post it here as it becomes an annual thing around here anyway. Still a concept version though.
Dutch/Eredivisie youth ranked by age. I clustered 2002 and 2003 as both categories are major long shots right now. Also included Nouri out of respect. If you have any questions or feedback, please do.
1997
1) Abdelhak Nouri AM - 90C – Ajax/HOL*
2) Frenkie de Jong CM - 88B – Ajax/HOL
3) Kasper Dolberg ST - 85B – Ajax/DEN
4) Steven Bergwijn W - 84B – PSV/HOL
5) David Neres W - 82B – Ajax/BRA
6) Donnie van de Beek CM - 80A – Ajax/HOL
7) Arnaut Groeneveld LW – 76B – Brugge/HOL
8) Guus Til CM - 70B – AZ/HOL
9) Vaclav Cerny W - 80D – Ajax/CZE
10) Noussair Mazraoui RB/RM - 70B – Ajax/HOL
HM: Sam Lammers (PSV), Hidde ter Avest (Udinese), Philippe Sandler (Manchester City), Juninho Bacuna (Huddersfield Town), Matteo Casseira (Ajax).
1998
1) Carel Eiting CM - 84B – Ajax/HOL
2) Calvin Stengs W – 83C – AZ/HOL
3) Timothy-Fosu Mensah D – 83C – Manchester United/HOL
4) Rick van Drongelen CB – 78B – HSV/HOL
5) Justin Bijlow GK – 80C – Feyenoord/HOL
6) Kaj Sierhuis ST – 80C – Ajax/HOL
7) Dante Rigo CM - 80C - PSV/BEL
8) Justin Hoogma CB/LB – 70B – Hoffenheim/HOL
9) Teun Koopmeiners DM – 72C – AZ/HOL
10) Javairo Dilrosun LW – 75D - Hertha BSC/HOL
HM: Rodney Kongolo (Manchester City/Heerenveen), Hassane Bandé (Ajax), Giovanni Troupee (Utrecht), Maxmillan Wöber (Ajax), Dennis Johnson (Ajax), Julian Chabot (Groningen), Sherel Floranus (Heerenveen).
1999
1) Matthijs de Ligt CB – 93B – Ajax/HOL
2) Tahith Chong RW – 87B – Manchester United/HOL
3) Justin Kluivert LW – 85C – AS Roma/HOL
4) Armando Obispo CB 85B – PSV/HOL
5) Maximilliano Romero ST – 85C – PSV/ARG
6) Perr Schuurs CB 82B – Ajax/HOL
7) Joel Piroe ST – 83C – PSV/HOL
8) Donyell Malen W/AM - 75C – PSV/HOL
9) Bobby Adekanye RW – 80D – Liverpool/HOL
10) Leandro Fernandes DM – 76C – Juventus/HOL
HM: Emanuel Boateng (Lazio), Noa Lang (Ajax), Ferdi Kadioglu (Fenerbache), Che Nunnely (Ajax), Mitchell van Bergen (Vitesse), Owen Wijndal (AZ), Dylan Vente (Feyenoord), Deroy Duarte (Sparta), Nathangelo Markelo (Everton), Godfried Frimpong (Benfica), Anderson Lopéz (AS Monaco).
2000
1) Juan Familia Castillo LM/LB - 81C – Chelsea/HOL
2) Kik Pierie LB/CB - 80B – Heerenveen/HOL
3) Achraf El Bouchataoui AM - 83D – Feyenoord/HOL
4) Jasper Schendelaar GK – 75B – AZ/HOL
5) Jurgen Ekkelenkamp CM – 75B - Ajax/HOL
6) Nicolas Kuhn ST - 77C – Ajax/GER
7) Kjell Scherper GK – 75B – Emmen/HOL
8) Mitchell Bakker LB/CB 76B – Ajax/HOL
9) Victor Jensen AM – 80C - Ajax/DEN
10) Millen Baars AM – 75D – Manchester United/HOL
HM: Ludovit Reis (Groningen), Orkün Kokcü (Feyenoord), Dominik Kotarski (Ajax), Delano Ladan (ADO Den Haag), Lutsharel Geertruida (Feyenoord), Zakaria Aboukhlal (PSV), Kees de Boer (Swansea).
2001
1) Daishwan Redan ST – 87C – Chelsea/HOL
2) Myron Boadu ST – 84B – AZ/HOL
3) Joshua Zirkzee ST – 85C – Bayern München/HOL
4) Manuel Pherai AM – 83C – Dortmund/HOL
5) Cheick Touré LW – 82C – Feyenoord/HOL
6) Wouter Burger CM – 82C – Feyenoord/HOL
7) Joey Koorevaar GK - 82C - Feyenoord/HOL
8) Liam van Gelderen CB – 80C – Ajax/HOL
9) Splinter de Mooij AM – 80C – Feyenoord/HOL
10) Vicente Besuijen AM – 75C – Roma/HOL
HM: Kenzo Goudmijn (AZ), Sepp van den Berg (Zwolle), Denilho Cleonise (Genoa), Thomas Buitink (Vitesse), Jurrien Timber (Ajax), Tyro Nimmermeer (Lazio), Quinten Timber (Ajax), Anouar El Mhassani (West Ham United), Enric Llansana (Ajax).
2002/2003
1) Naci Unuvar AM – 91C – Ajax/HOL
2) Xavi Simons CM – 91C – Barcelona/HOL
3) Ryan Gravenberch CM – 90C Ajax/HOL
4) Jaymillo Pinas ST – 86C - Ajax/HOL
5) Brian Brobbey ST – 87D – Ajax/HOL
6) Mohammed Ihattaren W/AM – 84D – PSV/HOL
7) Jayden Braaf ST – 85C – Manchester City/HOL
8) Dillon Hoogewerf ST - 83C – Ajax/HOL
9) Ian Maatsen CB – 80C – Chelsea/HOL
10) Kian Fitz-Jim AM – 75C – AZ/HOL
HM: Melayro Bogarde (Hoffenheim), Ki-Jana Hoever (Liverpool), Mohamed Taabouni (AZ).
Dutch/Eredivisie youth ranked by age. I clustered 2002 and 2003 as both categories are major long shots right now. Also included Nouri out of respect. If you have any questions or feedback, please do.
1997
1) Abdelhak Nouri AM - 90C – Ajax/HOL*
2) Frenkie de Jong CM - 88B – Ajax/HOL
3) Kasper Dolberg ST - 85B – Ajax/DEN
4) Steven Bergwijn W - 84B – PSV/HOL
5) David Neres W - 82B – Ajax/BRA
6) Donnie van de Beek CM - 80A – Ajax/HOL
7) Arnaut Groeneveld LW – 76B – Brugge/HOL
8) Guus Til CM - 70B – AZ/HOL
9) Vaclav Cerny W - 80D – Ajax/CZE
10) Noussair Mazraoui RB/RM - 70B – Ajax/HOL
HM: Sam Lammers (PSV), Hidde ter Avest (Udinese), Philippe Sandler (Manchester City), Juninho Bacuna (Huddersfield Town), Matteo Casseira (Ajax).
1998
1) Carel Eiting CM - 84B – Ajax/HOL
2) Calvin Stengs W – 83C – AZ/HOL
3) Timothy-Fosu Mensah D – 83C – Manchester United/HOL
4) Rick van Drongelen CB – 78B – HSV/HOL
5) Justin Bijlow GK – 80C – Feyenoord/HOL
6) Kaj Sierhuis ST – 80C – Ajax/HOL
7) Dante Rigo CM - 80C - PSV/BEL
8) Justin Hoogma CB/LB – 70B – Hoffenheim/HOL
9) Teun Koopmeiners DM – 72C – AZ/HOL
10) Javairo Dilrosun LW – 75D - Hertha BSC/HOL
HM: Rodney Kongolo (Manchester City/Heerenveen), Hassane Bandé (Ajax), Giovanni Troupee (Utrecht), Maxmillan Wöber (Ajax), Dennis Johnson (Ajax), Julian Chabot (Groningen), Sherel Floranus (Heerenveen).
1999
1) Matthijs de Ligt CB – 93B – Ajax/HOL
2) Tahith Chong RW – 87B – Manchester United/HOL
3) Justin Kluivert LW – 85C – AS Roma/HOL
4) Armando Obispo CB 85B – PSV/HOL
5) Maximilliano Romero ST – 85C – PSV/ARG
6) Perr Schuurs CB 82B – Ajax/HOL
7) Joel Piroe ST – 83C – PSV/HOL
8) Donyell Malen W/AM - 75C – PSV/HOL
9) Bobby Adekanye RW – 80D – Liverpool/HOL
10) Leandro Fernandes DM – 76C – Juventus/HOL
HM: Emanuel Boateng (Lazio), Noa Lang (Ajax), Ferdi Kadioglu (Fenerbache), Che Nunnely (Ajax), Mitchell van Bergen (Vitesse), Owen Wijndal (AZ), Dylan Vente (Feyenoord), Deroy Duarte (Sparta), Nathangelo Markelo (Everton), Godfried Frimpong (Benfica), Anderson Lopéz (AS Monaco).
2000
1) Juan Familia Castillo LM/LB - 81C – Chelsea/HOL
2) Kik Pierie LB/CB - 80B – Heerenveen/HOL
3) Achraf El Bouchataoui AM - 83D – Feyenoord/HOL
4) Jasper Schendelaar GK – 75B – AZ/HOL
5) Jurgen Ekkelenkamp CM – 75B - Ajax/HOL
6) Nicolas Kuhn ST - 77C – Ajax/GER
7) Kjell Scherper GK – 75B – Emmen/HOL
8) Mitchell Bakker LB/CB 76B – Ajax/HOL
9) Victor Jensen AM – 80C - Ajax/DEN
10) Millen Baars AM – 75D – Manchester United/HOL
HM: Ludovit Reis (Groningen), Orkün Kokcü (Feyenoord), Dominik Kotarski (Ajax), Delano Ladan (ADO Den Haag), Lutsharel Geertruida (Feyenoord), Zakaria Aboukhlal (PSV), Kees de Boer (Swansea).
2001
1) Daishwan Redan ST – 87C – Chelsea/HOL
2) Myron Boadu ST – 84B – AZ/HOL
3) Joshua Zirkzee ST – 85C – Bayern München/HOL
4) Manuel Pherai AM – 83C – Dortmund/HOL
5) Cheick Touré LW – 82C – Feyenoord/HOL
6) Wouter Burger CM – 82C – Feyenoord/HOL
7) Joey Koorevaar GK - 82C - Feyenoord/HOL
8) Liam van Gelderen CB – 80C – Ajax/HOL
9) Splinter de Mooij AM – 80C – Feyenoord/HOL
10) Vicente Besuijen AM – 75C – Roma/HOL
HM: Kenzo Goudmijn (AZ), Sepp van den Berg (Zwolle), Denilho Cleonise (Genoa), Thomas Buitink (Vitesse), Jurrien Timber (Ajax), Tyro Nimmermeer (Lazio), Quinten Timber (Ajax), Anouar El Mhassani (West Ham United), Enric Llansana (Ajax).
2002/2003
1) Naci Unuvar AM – 91C – Ajax/HOL
2) Xavi Simons CM – 91C – Barcelona/HOL
3) Ryan Gravenberch CM – 90C Ajax/HOL
4) Jaymillo Pinas ST – 86C - Ajax/HOL
5) Brian Brobbey ST – 87D – Ajax/HOL
6) Mohammed Ihattaren W/AM – 84D – PSV/HOL
7) Jayden Braaf ST – 85C – Manchester City/HOL
8) Dillon Hoogewerf ST - 83C – Ajax/HOL
9) Ian Maatsen CB – 80C – Chelsea/HOL
10) Kian Fitz-Jim AM – 75C – AZ/HOL
HM: Melayro Bogarde (Hoffenheim), Ki-Jana Hoever (Liverpool), Mohamed Taabouni (AZ).
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Very nice, and in depth list. It matches up pretty much with what I have as far as Dutch prospects go. A few things...
- I would put Bergwijn, Neres and Groeneveld over Dolberg. Yes he has a ton of potential but he's shown some worrying signs and all three of those other guys have kept progressing while also possessing similar top end potential.
- As much as I love Eiting I can't see an argument to have him ahead of Rigo who is oddly far down the list. I would have Rigo at #1 there. I would also have Stengs lower and Koopmeiners higher.
- I would have Obispo and Kluivert over Chong. On talent alone Chong is up there but he's a weird fit because I don't think he really has a 'best position' and thus misses out on the top end potential of some of the others since I think it'd take a very specific system to get the best out of him. Obispo doesn't get talked about much yet probably because he isn't a nailed on starter, but he should be starting for PSV. I still think Nunnely should probably be in the top 10, though I've been really disappointed with his progress.
- I would have Reis in the top 5 of his age group for sure. He looks very good for his age, especially in a very demanding position, and it's a pretty weak year overall. EDIT: I also forgot about Kokcu who should be in the top 5 as well; he looks very bright.
- I would have Llansana in the top 10 and Burger should be just behind Boadu (ahead of Zirkzee, probably). Redan is a stud.
- I have the 2002/03 class separated, and it's so hard when they're so young, but Ryan Gravenberch (I think you have a typo in your list there) is an absolute monster for his age. He and Brobbey looked just as good as Redan for the Netherlands at the u17 championship. I know Unuvar is a phenom and Simons gets a lot of hype for his play but I think Gravenberch should top that list for now, and Brobbey should be just behind Simons/Unuvar.
Not trying to nitpick or anything. Seriously, great job, even if I don't really want all this information being shared with some posters here in my dynasty league.
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I disagree. Dolberg showed greater promise in his rookie year than either of Neres, Bergwijn or Groeneveld have so far. He's proven so vs stronger European sides, too. Dolberg's setback is mainly due to injuries rather than incompetence or poor form. Groeneveld's upside is limited and he shouldn't be named within that same group. He failed at PSV as a teenager, but I am glad he found a nice podium to perform at in Brugge. I liked his uprise at NEC. I think there's a clear gap after Donny though. Bergwijn is definitely starting to realize his potential, after a rough first half last season. His speed, dribbles and constant drive to attack will make him one the candidates to start for Oranje in it's 4-3-3 one day.
Despite similar age, Eiting is much further along. He's actually cracking the deepest and toughest midfield of the Eredivisie at Ajax, while he also was a vital cog in making Ajax II champions last season. I think Rigo will breakout and perhaps even start a few games here and there, but Eiting is definitely a bigger prospect so far. He's also a rare breed in that he's a very technical and offensively gifted, deep lying DM/CM. He's much like Frenkie de Jong in a lot of ways.
Chong is special. He already was at Feyenoord. I was really jealous of them back then. He was named United's talent of the year this past season. He's more of a winger than a CAM and always needs a little bit of free room to really flourish, but when on I really like his game. Should add some pounds as he is much of a lightweight so far, but his upside is higher than that of Kluivert or Obispo. Kluivert especially is way too inconsistent. He's played 3, maybe 4 real good games for Ajax and that's it. I don't think he has the right attitude to realize his full upside. Obispo has been talked about a lot here, but the fact remains that he's barely cracked a weak ass PSV defense. Rumor has it PSV are looking to loan him out this season. Lots of upside, but PSV's inability to develop its youngsters also plays a part in him being behind those 3, which is no shame. Also, Nunnely was impressive during the UEFA Youth League. He'll make his Ajax debut sooner or later. He has too with so much speed and power.
The entire 2000 group is pretty weak. I think Pierie and Castillo are locks, but the rest are very close to each other, with 3 till some of the honorable mentions even being interchangeable.
Zirkee is impressing for Bayern München and is seen as the successor of Lewandowski. He did well during their recent campaign. Burger needs to be more mature and consistent. Despite his skills he's still a long way in making Feyenoord I.
Yeah, thanks for the typo heads up! Gravenberch is an amazing prospect, being a regular in the U19 for Ajax at the age of 15 says a lot. I just feel that there's a little more extra in him if he would focus on being a CM and work on his defensive game. He could be another version of Pogba then. He's too lanky not to. Brobbey is special in that he's build like a gorilla; much like Lukaku. He really shrugs of defenders with ease during the U19 competition and really bullies his way towards the box. In my time watching and judging young teenagers I rarely see this translating well to the pro's, when the CB he faces are gorilla's themselves. Pinas is a year younger and much like Redan. You should check him out. He scores so easily.
Not trying to nitpick or anything. Seriously, great job, even if I don't really want all this information being shared with some posters here in my dynasty league.
Only the hardcore fans read these soccer prospect threads anyway..
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Failing as a teenager doesn't mean that you don't have potential. Plenty of world class players were released by big teams or small teams before making it at another club. Groeneveld was better this past season than Bergwijn or Dolberg have ever been, very much on the same level as Neres. I still think Bergwijn has more potential but I'm not sold on Dolberg, and it wasn't just an injury or form issue. Like I mentioned before Mertens was even older playing in the 2nd tier of Holland before breaking out. Some players just take longer to develop. He's got everything you need from a modern winger; speed, skill, directness, trickery and vision. His workrate needs to improve and he needs to get a little stronger but I wouldn't even be at all surprised if he ended up the best of him, Neres and Bergwijn.
Eh...I don't think that you'd find many that would take Eiting over Rigo. Rigo has been a phenom for a long time, at NT level and through the PSV ranks. I also don't agree with Ajax having the toughest midfield in terms of quality; PSV has been comfortably better than them for years. Rigo's touch, vision, and offensive instincts are all higher than Eiting though I could see him being moved further up the field for those reasons; he reminds me of a more mobile version of Kroos.
I'm not really sold on Chong. He's talented for sure, but his game IQ is certainly questionable and like I said positionally he is more of a '7 1/2' which makes him tricky to fit into teams and why he gets bounced from AM to W so often. His upside isn't as high as Kluivert or Obispo (some scouts and coaches actually think Obispo has a higher potential than de Ligt, fwiw). Kluivert's mentality will definitely affect how far he goes but he's always been better than Chong. I agree that Nunnely was impressive, but it's still been a bit disappointing given he looked easily the best in his age group 2-3 years ago.
Agreed.
Yeah but again Zirkzee also plays in a position it's easier to get noticed or break out at and takes less time to work your way into. I don't know about being the successor to Lewandowski either...he's still quite young and we're talking about preseason. Playing in the same NTs Burger has often been the heart of that team. We'll see moving forward but I like Burger a lot.
Pogba sounds like a lazy comparison but it's pretty much the perfect one for Gravenberch. Brobbey is also a pretty smart player and makes use of his physicality but you're right about those guys often having a hard time adjusting when hitting the pros so we'll see how it goes.
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I keep hearing Kluivert's attitude is a problem (from Ajax fans) , but I haven't seen or heard a thing since he's joined Roma. In fact, by all accounts, he's been working his ass off training and is liked by his teammates.
Curiously, the same was said about Ante Coric as well , and everyone loves the kid.
Not saying you're wrong , but that from all the available evidence so far in Rome , his attitude/work ethic has been stellar.
Curiously, the same was said about Ante Coric as well , and everyone loves the kid.
Not saying you're wrong , but that from all the available evidence so far in Rome , his attitude/work ethic has been stellar.
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You can't compare a successful season in the Jupiler League (now the Keuken Kampioen divisie) with Dolberg's rookie season, in which he scored 16 goals and 6 assists, to go along with another 6 goals in the Europa League, reaching the finals - as an 18/19 year old. That's insane. Groeneveld scored 8 goals and added 12 assists last season, but the second division of Holland is really putrid. His true upside will be more on display now that he plays for a top side in Belgium, but he has nothing going for him to be ahead of Dolberg, though I really think he can close the gap. PSV actually tried to get him back last season, leading to some cocky remarks from Groeneveld which he went public with. There are some concerns regarding his attitude. I like his upside, but I am taking Dolberg or Bergwijn here. Neres I'm not sure on.
Eiting is cracking a midfield which has Frenkie de Jong, Daley Blind, Lasse Schöne, Hakim Ziyech, Zakaria Labyad, Dusan Tadic, Donnie van de Beek, Daley Sinkgraven, Siem de Jong and Noa Lang all fighting for a spot. He's not only cracking it, but playing like he's been a regular for years. Some are playing out of position just because it is so crowded (Blind, Frenkie de Jong, Labyad, Tadic) or will leave because of it (Siem de Jong). Rigo is struggling to out perform the likes of Ramselaar, Hendrix and Rosario. They even bought Ryan Thomas (fine player, btw), to play at his position. Again, PSV sucks at developing its youth and this plays a huge part in whether players will reach their upside.
PSV also has not been comfortably better than Ajax these past years. During the past 3 seasons, PSV only managed to get one point more than Ajax. The race is always close. Ajax, especially this season, has a much better squad, on paper, than PSV.
Agree about Chong's IQ. When I watch him he not always knows what he's about to do beforehand. I definitely feel his upside is higher than that of Kluivert (overrated) and Obispo (reasons mentioned above). And no scout or coach feel he's better than de Ligt. That was Aad de Mos, a former coach and wannabe analist for Ziggo sport. In fact, he stated yesterday that de Ligt is now much further along because of PSV inability to develop their youth, which I agree on (link: De Mos adviseert huurtransfer PSV: 'Of naar België, zou ook een goed idee zijn'). He wants him loaned out because of it.
And yes Nunnely took a little dive these past years. He re-signed with Ajax when he could've signed for every big team in Europa then. Still a legit talent.
Gravenberch is just a one dimensional player right now, albeit a very good one, but I feel he can be so much more special when he uses his lanky frame much more in his advantage. At CM for example. He'll probably get a look there anyway. Most players go through multiple positions before settling somewhere. Cruijff wants every player to play and know every position before you're locked in for one.
Ajacied
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He works his ass off. He has that Ronaldo mentality, nothing wrong there.
It's because Kluivert only played a handful of quality games for Ajax. He barely was a starter and already he wanted to look abroad. Played hardball with Ajax, too. Basically handcuffed Ajax so that they also couldn't ask for more than the 21M they got. Just a cocky dude. A few days into his Roma career he already mentioned Barca was next. Promised stuff for Ajax he couldn't realize. Showboater on the pitch. Acts way over his head vs some of the more respected players of the competition.
Talented, yes. But overrated.
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