So Who Goes TO Make Room?

[Northernguy10]

My question is:...Does Dubas walk this cap tight rope all year or does he make 'hockey trades' during the season to alleviate this situation and address some team needs at the same time, possibly even with an eye to next years continuing cap troubles?..in other words does he kill 2 or even 3 birds with one stone?

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

If anyone has taken a look at the Leafs' advanced stats recently, all of Gauthier , Shore and Timashov have been getting caved in by almost every metric (~42% CF, FF, SCF; HDCF% in the 30s). Yes, they get primarily defensive deployments but so did Petan for the little he actually played and his tiny sample of 5v5 minutes isn't that bad.

They've all had rare glimmers of success with the puck, but do we really need all three? Gauthier is big and wins faceoffs, at least, but Shore is just there most of the time. Timashov has been playing the body and is still young but doesn't seem to have a whole lot of upside.

 

[hamzarocks]

Has there been any update on JT. Is it looking like he will be good to go for Saturday against the flyers? It has been 2 weeks since his injury and 6 games. We went 2-2-2 without him. Need him back and playing like a elite center to turn things around.

 

[hullsy47]

This is my thought too.

And one of AJ or KK later to give some breathing room.

Barrie lol

 

[mouser]

My napkin math (any errors are my own):

Current Projected Cap Hit: $94,194,204
Current LTIR relief pool: $12,800,000
ACSL: $81,489,160

Changes with activating Hyman:
- Relief Pool drops to $10,550,000
- That means the maximum Projected Cap hit the team can have is ACSL+Relief Pool = $81,489,160 + $10,550,000 = $92,039,160
- So the team will need to reduce their Projected cap hit by $94,194,204 - $92,039,160 = $2,155,044.
- We're 29 days into the 186 day season, so to remove that projected amount requires removing $2,155,044 / (157/186) = $2,553,109 AAV in contracts.

Dropping three of the usual suspects (Marincin, Petan, Shore, Timashov, Gauthier, Spezza) doesn't add up to $2,553,109 AAV.

I'm genuinely curious what the team's plan is?

EDIT: Nevermind, I was adding the replacement players fully into the Averaged Club Salary, but the amount contributed is capped. Yet one more example of where Capfriendly's "Projected Cap Hit" diverges from CBA defined terms like Averaged Club Salary.

 

[jrgtml67]

My napkin math (any errors are my own):

Current Projected Cap Hit: $94,194,204
Current LTIR relief pool: $12,800,000
ACSL: $81,489,160

Changes with activating Hyman:
- Relief Pool drops to $10,550,000
- That means the maximum Projected Cap hit the team can have is ACSL+Relief Pool = $81,489,160 + $10,550,000 = $92,039,160
- So the team will need to reduce their Projected cap hit by $94,194,204 - $92,039,160 = $2,155,044.
- We're 29 days into the 186 day season, so to remove that projected amount requires removing $2,155,044 / (157/186) = $2,553,109 AAV in contracts.

Dropping three of the usual suspects (Marincin, Petan, Shore, Timashov, Gauthier, Spezza) doesn't add up to $2,553,109 AAV.

I'm genuinely curious what the team's plan is?

Trade Ceci? I dont like him with Rielly..but problem is..how long is Muzzin expected to be out

 

[JT AM da real deal]

My napkin math (any errors are my own):

Current Projected Cap Hit: $94,194,204
Current LTIR relief pool: $12,800,000
ACSL: $81,489,160

Changes with activating Hyman:
- Relief Pool drops to $10,550,000
- That means the maximum Projected Cap hit the team can have is ACSL+Relief Pool = $81,489,160 + $10,550,000 = $92,039,160
- So the team will need to reduce their Projected cap hit by $94,194,204 - $92,039,160 = $2,155,044.
- We're 29 days into the 186 day season, so to remove that projected amount requires removing $2,155,044 / (157/186) = $2,553,109 AAV in contracts.

Dropping three of the usual suspects (Marincin, Petan, Shore, Timashov, Gauthier, Spezza) doesn't add up to $2,553,109 AAV.

I'm genuinely curious what the team's plan is?

It is my understanding that when you max LTIR at CAP then it is only a matching of AAV in and AAV out for balance of that year. So Leafs had like 400K of room and they used some of it in the Gravel for Dermy swap on Monday. So now they have like 200K left minus Hymans 2.25M so like a little over 2M for 3 guys. Petan Marincin and whoever and it is covered i think. and then from then on i think it is basically an emergency only approved 800K or less replacement.

 

[deletethis]

My napkin math (any errors are my own):

Current Projected Cap Hit: $94,194,204
Current LTIR relief pool: $12,800,000
ACSL: $81,489,160

Changes with activating Hyman:
- Relief Pool drops to $10,550,000
- That means the maximum Projected Cap hit the team can have is ACSL+Relief Pool = $81,489,160 + $10,550,000 = $92,039,160
- So the team will need to reduce their Projected cap hit by $94,194,204 - $92,039,160 = $2,155,044.
- We're 29 days into the 186 day season, so to remove that projected amount requires removing $2,155,044 / (157/186) = $2,553,109 AAV in contracts.

Dropping three of the usual suspects (Marincin, Petan, Shore, Timashov, Gauthier, Spezza) doesn't add up to $2,553,109 AAV.

I'm genuinely curious what the team's plan is?

Using CapFriendly's Armchair GM, it looks like dropping any 3 and going with a 21 man roster is fine:

 

[mouser]

Using CapFriendly's Armchair GM, it looks like dropping any 3 and going with a 21 man roster is fine:

That's the cap hit at this moment in time. It doesn't account for going over $81.5m using Hyman and Dermott LTIR the past month. That all has to be unwound now that he's healthy. My estimate is they need to run a max cap of $80.85m going forward (not including Horton/Clarkson).

Edit: Nevermind, my error conflating CF's Cap hit Projection with Averaged Club Salary.

 

[deletethis]

That's the cap hit at this moment in time. It doesn't account for going over $81.5m using Hyman and Dermott LTIR the past month. That all has to be unwound now that he's healthy. My estimate is they need to run a max cap of $80.85m going forward (not including Horton/Clarkson).

Isn't the cap really a daily calculation?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

It is too confusing ... meant for smarter guys ... TG we have Dubie & Co

 

[mouser]

Isn't the cap really a daily calculation?

The figure is recalculated daily, but it's an aggregate amount for the entire season based on past spending and projected future spending given the current roster.

As an example: at the trade deadline teams with excess payroll space under the cap can field rosters with a total AAV greater then the cap because they only are paying for the pro-rated portion going forward on the newly acquired contracts.

 

[deletethis]

The figure is recalculated daily, but it's an aggregate amount for the entire season based on past spending and projected future spending given the current roster.

As an example: at the trade deadline teams with excess payroll space under the cap can field rosters with a total AAV greater then the cap because they only are paying for the pro-rated portion going forward on the newly acquired contracts.

But when a team is riding a full cap hit using LTIR overage, there is no cap space to carry over, right? You can't have a negative aggregate because that would mean you were exceeding the cap on a particular day which is not allowed.

 

[killer1980]

Dubas leaves to make room for a GM that has a clue how to staff an NHL team.

 

[mouser]

But when a team is riding a full cap hit using LTIR overage, there is no cap space to carry over, right? You can't have a negative aggregate because that would mean you were exceeding the cap on a particular day which is not allowed.

On second thought, I see my error. I was adding the replacement players fully into the Averaged Club Salary, but the CBA does put a limit on that. So technically it's not cap space saved on Hyman, it's space saved on the replacement player.

So, yes. Getting the face value of the roster below $81.5m works.

 

[kb]

Dubas leaves to make room for a GM that has a clue how to staff an NHL team.

I can see you're out.

 

[hector morrison]

Dubas leaves to make room for a GM that has a clue how to staff an NHL team.

what genius moves would you have done?

 

[killer1980]

what genius moves would you have done?

Not paid those wimpy kids all that money. Realized that it was defense that is our problem. Never gotten rid of McElhinney. Added some toughness to the team. Communicated with the coach to let him know what I expected from him and the team.

Thanks for asking.

 

[hector morrison]

Not paid those wimpy kids all that money. Realized that it was defense that is our problem. Never gotten rid of McElhinney. Added some toughness to the team. Communicated with the coach to let him know what I expected from him and the team.

Thanks for asking.

Nice general idea...not exactly the kind of detail /specifics that would make your ideas viable though! So ,if you're not having Matthews/Marner/Nylander because they are paid too much...who are you replacing them with? I mean it's easier said than done ,isn't it?

I get that you're not happy with the current situation,but you don't really have a plan either. I am willing to endure the bichin'/moanin',if that person has a real alternative. But you don't!

 

[killer1980]

Nice general idea...not exactly the kind of detail /specifics that would make your ideas viable though! So ,if you're not having Matthews/Marner/Nylander because they are paid too much...who are you replacing them with? I mean it's easier said than done ,isn't it?

I get that you're not happy with the current situation,but you don't really have a plan either. I am willing to endure the bichin'/moanin',if that person has a real alternative. But you don't!

It's not my job to be GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs. I believe I identified the issues. If I were GM I would do a better job than the current GM. In the meantime, have fun watching these slugs. I hope they make the playoffs for you.

 

[egd27]

It's not my job to be GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs. I believe I identified the issues. If I were GM I would do a better job than the current GM. In the meantime, have fun watching these slugs. I hope they make the playoffs for you.

I don't know you but based on some of the posts I've read, I would have no reluctance to bet that you would not. It would be the closest thing to a lock that there is.

 

[killer1980]

I don't know you but based on some of the posts I've read, I would have no reluctance to bet that you would not. It would be the closest thing to a lock that there is.

Speaking of locks, it's Breeders Cup today and tomorrow, I've got 14 locks for that too.

Like I tell everyone, if you are happy with the current management team, I wish you all good things. I happen to think otherwise. That I believe is what these forums are all about. I try not to make it personal against any members here.

 

[egd27]

Speaking of locks, it's Breeders Cup today and tomorrow, I've got 14 locks for that too.

Like I tell everyone, if you are happy with the current management team, I wish you all good things. I happen to think otherwise. That I believe is what these forums are all about. I try not to make it personal against any members here.

Nothing personal at all, I just didn't agree with the statement that you would be a better GM than Dubas.

 

[ToMaLe]

My god I hope Marincin is traded, do not ever want to see him in a Leafs jersey ever again.

 

[LeProspector]

Why can’t I vote all of them off the island?