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Draisaitl has played at a 125 point pace over the past 2 years. If Matthews is generational Draisaitl absolutely is.
So two generational talents on one team cannot win a single playoff game?
Draisaitl has played at a 125 point pace over the past 2 years. If Matthews is generational Draisaitl absolutely is.
Jagr is just in the tier below those 4 (if you add Jagr, what about Esposito?). Hasek is hard for me. I often think about adding him.Talking generational talents, Jagr went for what 5 Art Ross in a row, ended second in points to Gretzky. Probably had to go for 10 straight to get on your list
btw Dominik Hasek
While the last thing I’m trying to do is play the “Player A overcame worse injuries than Player B,” 3 of the consensus top 4 dealt with everything from a near-death brain hemorrhage (Howe) to cancer (Lemieux) to 10+ knee surgeries (Orr).Obviously you don't know what a slap shot to the face and a serious neck injury can stop guaranteed awards.
He's not equal, and if you claim that something is disqualifying, you can't randomly pick and choose when to apply that anyway.Some people leave him out, more people are ok with having 2 generational players from one period of time if they equally talented/sucessful.
How many players match crosbys award case? Not too mention all the other elite years. Be along time until another player like Crosby comes around. Don't think mcdavid will have the playoff pedigree and elite longevity like Crosby has to this dayWhile the last thing I’m trying to do is play the “Player A overcame worse injuries than Player B,” 3 of the consensus top 4 dealt with everything from a near-death brain hemorrhage (Howe) to cancer (Lemieux) to 10+ knee surgeries (Orr).
Worth remembering Howe’s near death experience:
“Detroit Red Wings star Gordie Howe suffered a near-fatal injury during the opening game of the playoffs at Olympia Stadium on March 28, 1950.
Howe crashed into the boards headfirst and had to be carried away on a stretcher as fans in the stands silently watched, shocked.
It was three days before his 22nd birthday.
The brain hemorrhage Howe suffered landed him in critical condition at Harper Hospital; he also had a broken nose, a shattered cheekbone and a seriously scratched right eye. His mother was summoned to his side.
Emergency neurosurgery to relieve the pressure saved his life, along with some time in an oxygen tank.
According to legend, Howe apologized to coach Tommy Ivan.”
Flashback: Mid-game accident left Gordie Howe close to death
Again, I’m not playing the injury counting game. So many great players have been seriously injured during their careers, and their accomplishments stand out even more in light of this.
He's not equal, and if you claim that something is disqualifying, you can't randomly pick and choose when to apply that anyway.
Not really, and regardless, that would open it to quite a few players if generational status was only based on a high peak.Im pretty sure his peak is considered better then Crosby's
There are many different definitions and I didn't say Matthews qualifies under every definition. I was merely pointing out the inconsistencies in how people were applying their own criteria.But lets hear your definition of generational and how Matthews qualifies.
Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Lemieux. That's it.
I'm GenX. Richard's regular season is just too weak. Playoffs Richard would be. I often think about adding Hasek but never do. He has an astounding peak, I just don't know how to compare goalies and skaters to comfortably put him there.What's your argument against Richard and Hasek other than you being a millennial?
Not really, and regardless, that would open it to quite a few players if generational status was only based on a high peak.
There are many different definitions and I didn't say Matthews qualifies under every definition. I was merely pointing out the inconsistencies in how people were applying their own criteria.
Who cares? That means sweet nothing as of now!A 15 year old at 2.0 ppg in WHL
McDavid was at 1.0 ppg at same age
Nonsense. How many guys were spectacular players as teenagers but that never translated to the NHL.You can be a generational talent, you just didn't prove it yet.
Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux where generational talent before setting a foot in the nhl, if the WHA never collapse, maybe Gretzky play all is career outside the nhl, he would still have been a generational talent.
Goalies should be there too like Hasek, Price, Joseph and Belfour.I'm GenX. Richard's regular season is just too weak. Playoffs Richard would be. I often think about adding Hasek but never do. He has an astounding peak, I just don't know how to compare goalies and skaters to comfortably put him there.
Goalies should be there too like Hasek, Price, Joseph and Belfour.
He was in the top 3 in my generation, so of course he's a generational player.Curtis Joseph - maybe the 5th best goalie of his era - is a generational player?
Nonsense. How many guys were spectacular players as teenagers but that never translated to the NHL.
Player Name | Pos. | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | Birthplace | Age | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Wayne Gretzky | C | 63 | 70 | 112 | 182 | 14 | ONT: Brantford | 16 | ||||||
Dan Lucas | W | 61 | 50 | 67 | 117 | 90 | BC: Powell River | 19 | ||||||
Paul Mancini | L | 67 | 54 | 37 | 91 | 29 | ONT: Scarborough | 19 |
# | Player Name | Pos. | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | +/- | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | Birthplace | Age |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
8 | Pavel Brendl | L | 68 | 73 | 61 | 134 | 40 | 68 | 20 | 21 | 25 | 46 | 18 | Czech Rep.: Opocno | 17 |
20 | Brad Moran | C | 71 | 60 | 58 | 118 | 96 | 55 | 21 | 17 | 25 | 42 | 26 | BC: Abbotsford | 19 |
2 | Matt Kinch | D | 68 | 14 | 69 | 83 | 16 | 50 | 21 | 7 | 23 | 30 | 8 | ALTA: Red Deer | 18 |
Im most certainly not a Tampa Bay fan, but id argue Vasilevskyi is getting thereLmao at Matthews and Bednard’s inclusion
Only guys currently in the league that are generational are Crosby, Ovi, and McDavid
Right. Yet Orr won 8 consecutive Norris Trophies, some of them while playing on badly injured knees. Mario couldn't even tie his skates and dominated. Heck, Mario battled cancer, missed time for treatments, and still returned to win the scoring title -- scoring at Gretzky's 215 point-per-game pace.Obviously you don't know what a slap shot to the face and a serious neck injury can stop guaranteed awards.
Not sure what you are saying here? I am quite sure that 98% of the great players in the NHL were great players when they were young. My point was that many more players were great players when young but didn't amount to much as a pro let alone become a generational talent. The jury is out on Connor Bedard; he is tracking to be a great player but can't be labeled a generational talent yet.I am not sure there is a single example of Gretzky level of spectacular that did not turned out great, but that a bit of different question anyway.
Hasek, perhaps. A stiff no to the others. Not even close. Simply not dominant enough.Goalies should be there too like Hasek, Price, Joseph and Belfour.
You can be a generational talent, you just didn't prove it yet..
Generational players, in or out of generational form currently playing in the NHL-ATM
Mackinnon
Ovechkin
Crosby
Matthews
Draisatl
McDavid
are generational
That's nonsense. If that's the case, 98% of the league could be generational.
We're just waiting for them to prove it, right?
Not sure what you are saying here? I am quite sure that 98% of the great players in the NHL were great players when they were young. My point was that many more players were great players when young but didn't amount to much as a pro let alone become a generational talent. The jury is out on Connor Bedard; he is tracking to be a great player but can't be labeled a generational talent yet.