So, the NHL isn't going to investigate the Penguins for misconduct either?

[thestonedkoala]

Reading and listening to the Blackhawks saga made me think back on the Penguins and their handling of Dontelli. I know the lawsuit has been argued at considerable lengths here, but the story behind the lawsuit appears to have been quietly buried. Do you think the Blackhawks situation will shine some light back on the Penguins situation or are they just going to bury it and hope no one cares or remembers that the Penguins hired and kept a known predator on their staff and then quietly let him resign?

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[Khelandros]

As you stated already, this has been discussed at length. Why keep bringing up stuff?

 

[Butch 19]

Reading and listening to the Blackhawks saga made me think back on the Penguins and their handling of Dontelli. I know the lawsuit has been argued at considerable lengths here, but the story behind the lawsuit appears to have been quietly buried. Do you think the Blackhawks situation will shine some light back on the Penguins situation or are they just going to bury it and hope no one cares or remembers that the Penguins hired and kept a known predator on their staff and then quietly let him resign?

You could tell us about this in 4 - 5 sentences, I bet...

 

[heysmilinstrange]

Reading and listening to the Blackhawks saga made me think back on the Penguins and their handling of Dontelli. I know the lawsuit has been argued at considerable lengths here, but the story behind the lawsuit appears to have been quietly buried. Do you think the Blackhawks situation will shine some light back on the Penguins situation or are they just going to bury it and hope no one cares or remembers that the Penguins hired and kept a known predator on their staff and then quietly let him resign?

Probably not, because while both are bad, the Blackhawks situation is clearly worse.

 

[thestonedkoala]

As you stated already, this has been discussed at length. Why keep bringing up stuff?

Because, the lawsuit has, but the story behind the lawsuit hasn't.

You could tell us about this in 4 - 5 sentences, I bet...

What?

Probably not, because while both are bad, the Blackhawks situation is clearly worse.

Honestly, that's like saying drunk driving is bad, but killing someone is worse than just maiming someone.

The NHL appears to have a sexual harassment issue.

 

[Gurglesons]

Reading and listening to the Blackhawks saga made me think back on the Penguins and their handling of Dontelli. I know the lawsuit has been argued at considerable lengths here, but the story behind the lawsuit appears to have been quietly buried. Do you think the Blackhawks situation will shine some light back on the Penguins situation or are they just going to bury it and hope no one cares or remembers that the Penguins hired and kept a known predator on their staff and then quietly let him resign?

Penguins did not keep a known predator. They immediately removed the employee after allegations were brought to them. Donatelli was gone a week after the allegations were brought to the Penguins.

The individuals in question tried to resolve this with Donatelli outside of the organizational process by their own admittance.

You can not prevent an associate from resigning during an investigation which is pretty clearly what happened.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Bill Guerin is gonna sweep this thread under the rug

 

[SEALBound]

IIRC, Penguins did what they should have done. What do you want the league to do other than to shine the spotlight on something bad that we already all know is bad?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Penguins did not keep a known predator. They immediately removed the employee after allegations were brought to them. Donatelli was gone a week after the allegations were brought to the Penguins.

The individuals in question tried to resolve this with Donatelli outside of the organizational process by their own admittance.

You can not prevent an associate from resigning during an investigation which is pretty clearly what happened.

They did though, if you read over the allegations regarding Donatelli, he exhibited this behavior in the past before the assault on Skalde.

You can also fire them instead of letting them resign. It makes it seem that Donatelli got to choose.

 

[Gurglesons]

They did though, if you read over the allegations regarding Donatelli, he exhibited this behavior in the past before the assault on Skalde.

You can also fire them instead of letting them resign. It makes it seem that Donatelli got to choose.

No company is ever going to fire someone that is resigning.

The allegations are from a plaintiff's case so I think you have to take them with a grain of salt.

The fact that the Penguins immediately investigated it and the coach was gone in a week says all it needs to about how the organization handled it in comparison to the Blackhawks reportedly ignoring documented and witnessed behavior.

 

[Ms Maggie]

Reading and listening to the Blackhawks saga made me think back on the Penguins and their handling of Dontelli. I know the lawsuit has been argued at considerable lengths here, but the story behind the lawsuit appears to have been quietly buried. Do you think the Blackhawks situation will shine some light back on the Penguins situation or are they just going to bury it and hope no one cares or remembers that the Penguins hired and kept a known predator on their staff and then quietly let him resign?

Known predator? What? Forget issues of ethics etc. How stupid would an organization, especially one so public facing, have to be to hire a "known predator"?

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

So I'm confused - didn't the story on the Blackhawks come out months ago? Why is this whole thing suddenly resurfacing as if it's new news?

 

[thestonedkoala]

No company is ever going to fire someone that is resigning.

Actually, yes, you can or at least you can put out a statement regarding the resignation. Not full details, but something along the lines of, "we accept x resignation due to violations of team policy"

The allegations are from a plaintiff's case so I think you have to take them with a grain of salt.

The fact that the Penguins immediately investigated it and the coach was gone in a week says all it needs to about how the organization handled it in comparison to the Blackhawks reportedly ignoring documented and witnessed behavior.

So, why do we care what the plaintiff case against the Blackhawks matter?

You still conduct the investigation, because of the allegations and put out a statement. Penguins just shut the whole thing down and the NHL went along with it.

And no, they didn't. They didn't make the Skalde's aware of Donatelli's alleged behavior, or anyone aware of it. They even kept him on until the Skalde incident. Dallas at least fired Montgomery immediately after his relapse.

Finally, it shouldn't be the Penguins investigating the matter, but the NHL.

Known predator? What? Forget issues of ethics etc. How stupid would an organization, especially one so public facing, have to be to hire a "known predator"?

Companies do it all the time; Donatelli's behaviour was documented and things like excessive drinking and sexual assault just don't materialize out of no where. Look at Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein.

 

[SEALBound]

Actually, yes, you can or at least you can put out a statement regarding the resignation. Not full details, but something along the lines of, "we accept x resignation due to violations of team policy"



So, why do we care what the plaintiff case against the Blackhawks matter?

You still conduct the investigation, because of the allegations and put out a statement. Penguins just shut the whole thing down and the NHL went along with it.

And no, they didn't. They didn't make the Skalde's aware of Donatelli's alleged behavior, or anyone aware of it. They even kept him on until the Skalde incident. Dallas at least fired Montgomery immediately after his relapse.

Finally, it shouldn't be the Penguins investigating the matter, but the NHL.



Companies do it all the time; Donatelli's behaviour was documented and things like excessive drinking and sexual assault just don't materialize out of no where. Look at Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein.

So is your complaint more along the lines of "you don't like the wording that the was in a news article regarding the situation" rather than how it was actually handled?

The Penguins absolutely did investigate it. There were articles written that said the front office took immediate action upon being notified and Donatelli was gone less than a week later. I'm not sure where you're getting this "they all swept it under the rug" accusation from? And no, the Penguins are the entity that should be investigating this, not the NHL. You are wrong on that.

And let's back up a bit here - all types of assault and misconduct are wrong and people should be held accountable - but there's a big f***ing difference between what Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein have done and what Donatelli has done. All of it is wrong but keep it in perspective. That outlandish comparison doesn't help your argument.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

HF is now a gossip rag

 

[Gurglesons]

Actually, yes, you can or at least you can put out a statement regarding the resignation. Not full details, but something along the lines of, "we accept x resignation due to violations of team policy"

I work in HR for a fairly large company. No, we wouldn’t. This was a he said / she said situation. And the Pens removed the individual within a week of the allegations. That is incredibly fast for these types of things.

So, why do we care what the plaintiff case against the Blackhawks matter?

You still conduct the investigation, because of the allegations and put out a statement. Penguins just shut the whole thing down and the NHL went along with it.

And no, they didn't. They didn't make the Skalde's aware of Donatelli's alleged behavior, or anyone aware of it. They even kept him on until the Skalde incident. Dallas at least fired Montgomery immediately after his relapse.

Finally, it shouldn't be the Penguins investigating the matter, but the NHL.

We have no idea about the internal investigation. No company is making others aware of their internal investigation, the liability is stupendous.

Companies do it all the time; Donatelli's behaviour was documented and things like excessive drinking and sexual assault just don't materialize out of no where. Look at Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein.

We have no idea what the company was and was not aware of. The fact of the matter is the plaintiff isn’t even suing them for how the sexual misconduct case was handled. Which is really big difference between the two. The Penguins handled how they let go of Skalde incorrectly and Guerin told an individual to keep quiet about an internal investigation. Nobody attempted to hide anything on PIT’s side.

 

[Ms Maggie]

Actually, yes, you can or at least you can put out a statement regarding the resignation. Not full details, but something along the lines of, "we accept x resignation due to violations of team policy"



So, why do we care what the plaintiff case against the Blackhawks matter?

You still conduct the investigation, because of the allegations and put out a statement. Penguins just shut the whole thing down and the NHL went along with it.

And no, they didn't. They didn't make the Skalde's aware of Donatelli's alleged behavior, or anyone aware of it. They even kept him on until the Skalde incident. Dallas at least fired Montgomery immediately after his relapse.

Finally, it shouldn't be the Penguins investigating the matter, but the NHL.



Companies do it all the time; Donatelli's behaviour was documented and things like excessive drinking and sexual assault just don't materialize out of no where. Look at Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein.

Nonsense. The whole point of the Weinstein and Cosby things were how long these actions were kept under wraps as the victims were hesitant to come forward.

If you are seriously suggesting the Pens or any pro sports org would hire a "known predator" you 're nuts.

 

[thestonedkoala]

the matter is the plaintiff isn’t even suing them for how the sexual misconduct case was handled.

Yes they are.

Skalde also alleged that the Penguins knew of other inappropriate conduct and actions by Donatelli:

countless other episodes of inappropriate conduct by Mr. Donatelli, sexual and otherwise, which apparently the Penguins were aware of but did little or nothing to stop. Donatelli’s misconduct… was well-known by the Penguins management, but tolerated because he was a successful coach.”
The lawsuit says the Penguins should have been on notice about Donatelli’s conduct, which allegedly included making crude and physical sexual advances on women while working for the organization, and having sexual relations with lower-level staff at Mohegan Sun Arena, where the AHL team plays its home games.

Jarrod Skalde accuses Penguins of wrongful termination, after he reported sexual assault

It looks like most people read wrongful termination and didn't bother actually read the lawsuit.

This is where the NHL should step in.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yes they are.



Jarrod Skalde accuses Penguins of wrongful termination, after he reported sexual assault

It looks like most people read wrongful termination and didn't bother actually read the lawsuit.

This is where the NHL should step in.

Incorrect. The sexual assault allegations in the lawsuit specifically target Donatelli.

“The remaining three counts of the complaint allege state law claims by Mr. and Mrs. Skalde against the Penguins organization for negligent retention, Pennsylvania Whistleblower Act violations, and loss of consortium.”

Anyways, the court has moved this case to arbitration so we will likely hear nothing about it.

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

Sounds like you just want to drag the Penguins through the dirt, not get to the bottom of an issue in order to move forward in better ways.

The Penguins took immediate and appropriate action as soon as they were made aware. A team doesn't need to be investigated by the NHL just because an employee of theirs allegedly did something wrong. An NHL investigation would only be appropriate if evidence existed that the Penguins did not handle the problem.

 

[ClydeLee]

Sounds like you just want to drag the Penguins through the dirt, not get to the bottom of an issue in order to move forward in better ways.

The Penguins took immediate and appropriate action as soon as they were made aware. A team doesn't need to be investigated by the NHL just because an employee of theirs allegedly did something wrong. An NHL investigation would only be appropriate if evidence existed that the Penguins did not handle the problem.

How do you find evidence without an investigation? But there is evidence enough to warrant an independent Investigation.

This is similar to the Blackhawks because both involve cases of allegations of high ranking staff knowing predatory actions were ongoing and let those individuals remain in powerful positions to do worse acts.

Saying they got rid of Donatelli after finding out of the accusations ignores the alleged claims of prior misconduct. That's also info Pittsburgh would have no reason to announce if true or not, that's why an outside investigation would be needed if the NHL wanted to promote that they're looking to improve their culture.

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

How do you find evidence without an investigation? But there is evidence enough to warrant an independent Investigation.

This is similar to the Blackhawks because both involve cases of allegations of high ranking staff knowing predatory actions were ongoing and let those individuals remain in powerful positions to do worse acts.

Saying they got rid of Donatelli after finding out of the accusations ignores the alleged claims of prior misconduct. That's also info Pittsburgh would have no reason to announce if true or not, that's why an outside investigation would be needed if the NHL wanted to promote that they're looking to improve their culture.

There is no evidence that the Penguins were aware of anything prior to when they said they were aware, nor is evidence provided by the accuser. This is an anti-Pens poster trying to paint the Penguins with the same brush as the Blackhawks.

 

[ClydeLee]

There is no evidence that the Penguins were aware of anything prior to when they said they were aware, nor is evidence provided by the accuser. This is an anti-Pens poster trying to paint the Penguins with the same brush as the Blackhawks.

Did they even say there was other incidents?

If the lawsuit went through potentially there could of been evidence provided. But nobody is going to find out if nothing is investigated. I dont think they have a reason to be trusted by their internal claims of what they claim to only know when.

That's how abuse has been unchecked for ages.

 

[Ignatius]

As you stated already, this has been discussed at length. Why keep bringing up stuff?

This thread is like one of those generic, unoriginal comments in a YouTube comment section like, "Why is no one talking about _____?" When in reality it is something that has been commented on ad nauseam.

 

[Gurglesons]

Did they even say there was other incidents?

If the lawsuit went through potentially there could of been evidence provided. But nobody is going to find out if nothing is investigated. I dont think they have a reason to be trusted by their internal claims of what they claim to only know when.

That's how abuse has been unchecked for ages.

The Penguins once again are being accused by someone for negligent retention, Pennsylvania Whistleblower Act violations, and loss of consortium.

I don’t see why the NHL would get involved with this. This is fairly regular employee vs employer lawsuit stuff.