....How is it not important? Why would u not want the guys we acquired for Pilar to be good? Am I crazy here or something?Why is this important? The most important aspect of this trade is that it opens up playing time for Alford.
....How is it not important? Why would u not want the guys we acquired for Pilar to be good? Am I crazy here or something?
My father just said they "made themselves worse by trading their BEST player away".My wife just text me saying she's not going to another game and not watching the Jays for a long time.
But then again, my wife doesn't understand sports logic and the need for these types of trades. Yes there will be a lot of fans feeling this way. But everyone needs to understand that these moves are being made with an eye to 2021. Not this year.
The past three years Grichuk has played between 122 and 132 games (and he had some injuries). On what planet does that make him a "4th OF"?
He is a solid major league player. A 162 game average of 28 homeruns and a .788 OPS.
If you think I'm lying, go look at his stats:
Randal Grichuk Stats | Baseball-Reference.com
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Stroman trade soon given how well he's started the season.
I dont know much about prospects, my baseball knowledge is about as deep as a fantasy league with 18 teams will allow me to be lol. hope Alford is awesomeYou didn't say that initially.
You said you want them to "be close to making the club.
I hope every guy they got in the Pillar trade is an all star. But I could care less if they become all stars immediately or in three years.
The key to this trade is freeing up time for Alford to play and finding out what kind of major league player he can be.
I would be tempted to get him an extension or at least try to.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Stroman trade soon given how well he's started the season.
Or you can not be a smart ass and just answer my question?Clearly you don't understand the context of my reply...
I was referring to something that was in the conversation that Woodman posted earlier.
I don't think he is a 4th OF. I'm quite happy with the signing.
1) I didn't know the contract value when we were speculating about re-signing him. I was thinking more abstractly away from value/salary
2) I said "4th OF on a very good team." as a worst case scenario (ie he regresses a little bit or continues to get hurt on a regular basis. He's absolutely a starting-caliber OF on most teams in the league the way things are now. I probably could've been more precise in my language, but I didn't want to write a whole additional paragraph quantifying the reasoning for my word choice. My posts/comments are long enough already.
3) I don't have super super up-to-date #s, but the generally expected/accepted $/fWAR going rate in free agency is at least $10.5m per win as of 2017. So $10.4m for a 2-3 fWAR guy with whole-OF flexibility over his 27 to 32/33 age seasons is a totally reasonable price.
No doubt 11 shut out innings against Detroit and Baltimore will open the floodgates of offers...
Your exact post:
"You would hope for more than a 4th OF for 10M+ per season."
Or you can not be a smart ass and just answer my question?
I would be tempted to get him an extension or at least try to.
Yes, that is what I said. It doesn't say I think he is a 4th OF.
Did you read the screen shots of the conversation that Woodman posted?
Same here, I think the line-up isn't too far from being pretty good.
If they traded Stroman for futures, then I think they'd be looking for a Stroman as soon as next season.
I need some clarification.
When you say this: "You would hope for more than a 4th OF for 10M+ per season."
How does that mean you are not saying you think he's a 4th OF?
Hey man, it was just a harmless question. I don’t know what your problem is but don’t talk to me like I’m stupid. You may or may not be a smart ass but you definitely sound like an ass right now.Do you understand the concept of rebuilding?
They didn't make the Pillar trade to get better. They made it to acquire some assets and open up playing time for a Triple A OFer.
Do you understand that?
Just like when the Leafs traded Kessel for a first round pick and Kapenen. Neither of those assets made the Leafs better right away, but they were stockpiled for future years.
Are we getting it now? A rebuilding team doesn't make moves/trades to get better today. They make moves with the future in mind.
Is that clear? Or am I still being a smart ass?
Hey man, it was just a harmless question. I don’t know what your problem is but don’t talk to me like I’m stupid. You may or may not be a smart ass but you definitely sound like an ass right now.