Smaller Promotions Discussion (MFC, Dream, Sengoku, Invicta, ect)

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  1. colonel_korn

    colonel_korn Luuuuuuuuuu....lay?

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    Figured it would be useful to have a catch-all thread for Japanese promotions since they don't usually generate enough interest for GDTs. Also this way you can avoid spoilers on the overseas events if you don't stay up all night watching them! I realize K-1 isn't really MMA, but since they also own DREAM and some guys compete in both, I figured I'd lump it in here.

    I think most of the regs here are familiar with MMA in Japan, but if you aren't then here's a mini-primer:

    What are the major Japanese MMA promotions?

    The two biggest ones right now are DREAM and Sengoku. They're pretty similar with only a couple of differences in terms of rules (see below). In general DREAM attracts bigger names and puts on a bigger production, but Sengoku has developed into a solid promotion as well. Both have only been around for about a year and a half, and came out of the dissolution of PRIDE, which ran from about 1997-2007 and was pretty much the pinnacle of MMA in Japan. Many former PRIDE fighters have ended up in the UFC (Rampage Jackson, Wanderlei Silva, Minotauro Nogueira and Dan Henderson, among others) but some stuck around Japan as well.

    K-1 is owned by the same people as DREAM and as a result has some fighters who compete in both. It's a kickboxing organization though, so no ground fighting (although apparently Badr Hari forgot this at the GP finals last year...)

    There are other promotions like Shooto, DEEP, GCM and some others but I know next to nothing about them.

    What are the main differences between MMA in Japan and North America?

    There are a few major ones:

    - MMA in Japan is usually fought in a ring rather than a cage. This usually results in better visibility (at least for people there) but has the unfortunate side effect that fights often have to be stopped and restarted when fighters get close to or caught in the ropes.
    - Scoring is a bit different depending on the organization. Rather than using the 10-point must system that boxing and most MMA orgs use, some Japanese promotions score the fight as a whole. (Basically, the guy you think "won" the fight wins the decision, not the guy who won the most rounds). Also, DREAM currently has a 10-minute first round and 5-minute second round, which is a holdover from PRIDE. Sengoku uses the North American system of three 5-minute rounds, with championship fights being 5 rounds (however, I don't think they use 10-point must for scoring).
    - Elbowing an opponent's head on the ground is not allowed, but kneeing the head of a downed opponent is. Soccer kicking or stomping a downed opponent is not allowed in either DREAM or Sengoku, unlike PRIDE.
    - There aren't really official sanctioning bodies in Japan, and in general MMA is more geared towards entertainment than it is in North America (where it's treated more strictly as a sport). This results in the odd infamous "freakshow" match that would never get sanctioned over here but sells tickets over there. Some examples:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUSdLcq2FF0
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8687255343464345443
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54wAIiMvUlQ

    Who are the biggest names in those organizations?
    A non-exhaustive list in no particular order:

    DREAM
    Shinya Aoki is a really good submission fighter who unfortunately got his face caved in in about 30 seconds in his last fight. Not sure what he's up to next.
    Hayato "Mach" Sakurai is the guy who caved his face in to advance to the next round of their welterweight Grand Prix
    Tatsuya "Crusher" Kawajiri is a pretty well-rounded, aggressive lightweight. He's fighting Gesias "JZ" Calvancante in DREAM's next show.
    Joachim "Hellboy" Hansen won DREAM's lightweight Grand Prix as an alternate last year, but hasn't fought since. He was supposed to fight on New Year's eve but had some kind of head injury and I haven't heard any news since then.
    Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto is one of the biggest stars in Japan and probably the favourite to win DREAM's ongoing featherweight grand prix.
    Gegard Mousasi won DREAM's middleweight grand prix last year but also hasn't fought since. He's moving up to 205 lbs and is rumored to be fighting Sokoudjou on DREAM's upcoming card.

    Sengoku
    Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal is a pretty good light heavyweight prospect who's just starting his career over in Japan.
    Takanori "Fireball Kid" Gomi was one of PRIDE's biggest stars but has hit a bit of a rough patch lately with two straight losses. I'm not actually sure if he's still fighting in Sengoku
    Satoru Kitaoka won Sengoku's lightweight Grand Prix and handed Gomi his last loss.
    Jorge Santiago is their middleweight Grand Prix champ but I don't know what he's up to right now.

    What's coming up next?

    Both DREAM and Sengoku have cards coming up in May, and both will feature the second round of each org's respective featherweight grand prix. As I mentioned, DREAM's has bigger names in it, but I actually thought the first round of Sengoku's was much more entertaining.

    http://mmajunkie.com/event/618/world-victory-roads-sengoku-eighth-battle.mma
    http://mmajunkie.com/event/626/dream-9.mma
    DREAM is also running a welterweight grand prix, though I don't think the next round has been announced yet. The 4 finalists are Sakurai, Andre Galvao, Jason High and Marius Zaromskis.
     
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    Dream 9's fight card looks ****ing rediclious.. every one of the 4 fights you listed is good enough for a main event, and you also for got CroCop is going to have a fight also

    oh and Jacare is looking to fight Mayham

    im still pissed that i missed Sengoku 7, if anybodys gota link to that please please pm me
     
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    big K-1 World Max event on HD net this weeked :yo:
     
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    colonel_korn Luuuuuuuuuu....lay?

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    Here's one for the "only in Japan" file:

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/4/23/849926/fedor-emelianenko-vs-shinya-aoki

    :biglaugh:
     
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    im assume it will be pure grappling which I though Aoki would win by magic pants.. but Fedor also has magic pants.. the man truly is unstoppable

    [​IMG]

    oh and its Mayhem vs Jacare for MW Title Officially Announced for DREAM 9
     
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    colonel_korn Luuuuuuuuuu....lay?

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    This is on in about 3 hours for people who haven't seen it yet. I watched a few fights online and they were pretty good, including one of the nastiest body shot KO's I've ever seen as well as

    [spoil]a mulleted dutchman beating the **** out of a crossdressing Japanese dude. Only in Japan folks! :laugh:[/spoil]
     
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    that was a real shame :shakehead I was on the cosplay war wagon
     
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    colonel_korn Luuuuuuuuuu....lay?

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    Still can't quite believe this is happening

    [​IMG]

    Pretty crazy that Aoki looks almost the same size (well height, anyways) as Fedor though.
     
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    A few notes (hopefully they aren't already posted):

    -Jacare vs. Mayhem is now official for for Dream 9 (for the MW title)
    -Dream 10 will have a Hellboy/Aoki rematch
     
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    posted it in the anouncment thread.. :p:

    Man does Dream keep comming up with great Fight cards
     
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    gota love perspective, it can make 5'9" guy look 6'0"
    i know its just and exibition match, but Aoki should be getting his ass in gear and training hard for his Hellboy fight
     
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    Well, DREAM 9 just took a turn for the ****ing crazy. As well as the second round of the featherweight GP, it now includes the opening round of another GP:

    I am not making this up

    http://dreamofficial.com/

    :shakehead
     
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    He's going to need more than roids for this one. Has he ever fought before anywhere? I'm not sure he'd beat Choi even if they let him use a bat.
     
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    He had a boxing match against some guy who used to play for the Eagles (Philly not the band) and got his ass handed to him in the 1st round. He looked absolutely clueless in the fight.
     
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    To all you Japanese fans, how good is Yoshihiro Akiyama? I really know little to nothing about him but he seems to come with a fair amount of hype. How good is he? Will he challenge Anderson, if so how far away is he?
     
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    Its realy hard to say, transfering from a ring to a cage can be a big problem for some fighters such as crocop.

    But with that he does have to tools to take on Sliva eventaly i.e. he doesnt go to brawl mode after takeing a punch.
     
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    wtf... they have a great fight card already and now they add the a freak show to it.. sweet
     
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    I don't have a problem with guys like Sapp, Choi, even Hunt fighting in freakshow matches but I think it's a criminal waste of talent for Mousasi and Soko to be involved in it :(
     
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    True.. i was hopping for a real light heavy weight for Mousasi
     
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    No way, Jose.
     
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    This. I don't get it either, I thought Soko and Mousasi were going to fight each other and that was something I was looking forward to. :shakehead
     
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    Another "only in Japan" moment.
     
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    This....this.......this is just........:laugh:. Hell , even Vince Mchamon wouldn't be able to pull **** like that. From Fedor to Cro Cop to.....Jose Canseco. Nice resume for HMC.

    Well , all i can say is R.I.P Jose. Yeah i know it's HMC but **** he's going kill that guy.
     
  25. I'll be honest. I can't wait to see that fight.
     

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