Slava Voynov

[Legionnaire]

The guilt of doing something like that to someone you love is unbearable.

 

[Tadite]

Good post Richie10.

 

[King'sPawn]

This still bothers me. I work with criminal drug addicts, the "scum of the earth" by layman's standards, and it has taught me one thing: very, very few people are truly "bad." People do bad things. Western cultures are absolutely obsessed with the good guy/bad guy dichotomy, and we're equally as obsessed with these revenge porn fantasies, where the "bad guy" gets his due. Maybe it's an oversaturation of narrative entertainment - everyone needs to have their role - I don't really know. But I constantly see this adage, that Voynov is an "awful human being," and it really bothers me.

...

But if that's all you knew about him, I'm sure he would be an awful human being, too.

I wanted to quote your whole post but take out the middle just for the sake of consolidating the post.

I just wanted to say this is very well spoken and I 100% agree. I have said numerous times in different locations when people have judged Voynov that there's a difference between a horrible person and a horrible act. I've never hit a girl out of anger (just being playful or by accident), but I have done some bad things in life I'm definitely not proud of. I definitely would not want to be judged based on the worst times in my life, nor do I think anyone else would.

I simply hope those who say things like "You're dead to me, Voynov" and "You're a horrible person, Voynov" never have to be judged based off of the wrongs in life they've committed. I further hope they can reflect on Voynov's situation, and since they are getting back together, that both sides get help. Even if you never like Voynov again (which would be silly either to decidedly like or dislike someone you don't know), you pretty much have to hope he gets help so this doesn't happen again.

It IS possible for good people to do terrible things. Just as it's possible for terrible people to do good things. People are mistakenly taking a possibly bad time in someone's life and judging, which is silly.

But that's the Internet for you.

 

[Legionnaire]

I wanted to quote your whole post but take out the middle just for the sake of consolidating the post.

I just wanted to say this is very well spoken and I 100% agree. I have said numerous times in different locations when people have judged Voynov that there's a difference between a horrible person and a horrible act. I've never hit a girl out of anger (just being playful or by accident), but I have done some bad things in life I'm definitely not proud of. I definitely would not want to be judged based on the worst times in my life, nor do I think anyone else would.

I simply hope those who say things like "You're dead to me, Voynov" and "You're a horrible person, Voynov" never have to be judged based off of the wrongs in life they've committed. I further hope they can reflect on Voynov's situation, and since they are getting back together, that both sides get help. Even if you never like Voynov again (which would be silly either to decidedly like or dislike someone you don't know), you pretty much have to hope he gets help so this doesn't happen again.

It IS possible for good people to do terrible things. Just as it's possible for terrible people to do good things. People are mistakenly taking a possibly bad time in someone's life and judging, which is silly.

But that's the Internet for you.

Brave of you to say. So I will say the same. No proud in the least.

You know men ARE victim's of domestic abuse as well. And this might blow some of your wigs back, but there's an entire tv show called Deadly Women.

 

[Legionnaire]

[mod]

I am not saying these things to justify Slava's behavior's - they WERE NOT RIGHT. I'm just pointing out the issue isn't that simple always.

 

[Herby]

I get where you guys are coming from, I really do. The tough situation is that it's Slava's life and career and we just watch hockey for enjoyment. I would just personally have a hard time cheering for a guy after what he did, it may be overly judgmental but it's how I feel.

And Slava should be able to sign a pretty nice contract in the KHL, he will be one of, if not the best defenseman in that entire league.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Christ guys, I've spent over a year mostly defending his character, the difference in cultural norms, and how I hope he learns/gets rehabilitated, and I even said he was 'being' a crappy person, not that he's permanently a crappy person, and MY post gets picked out as the teaching point?

I 100% agree with your point, but I'm getting read wrong and lectured to, and that's road apples.

I fully believe in the power of people to change and learn. I'm working in similar situations as you, see them every single day, and have had DV affect my family massively. I don't hold grudges, I do forgive, and I believe it takes time, but remember I was the one arguing that the best course of action here, whether he played in the NHL or not, was bigtime rehabilitation and support for the family HERE--not booting him from the country/league because that's just the NHL saying "don't want this problem" not "let's fix this problem for the future."

 

[King'sPawn]

Christ guys, I've spent over a year mostly defending his character, the difference in cultural norms, and how I hope he learns/gets rehabilitated, and I even said he was 'being' a crappy person, not that he's permanently a crappy person, and MY post gets picked out as the teaching point?

I 100% agree with your point, but I'm getting read wrong and lectured to, and that's road apples.

I fully believe in the power of people to change and learn. I'm working in similar situations as you, see them every single day, and have had DV affect my family massively. I don't hold grudges, I do forgive, and I believe it takes time, but remember I was the one arguing that the best course of action here, whether he played in the NHL or not, was bigtime rehabilitation and support for the family HERE--not booting him from the country/league because that's just the NHL saying "don't want this problem" not "let's fix this problem for the future."

Richie and I were both commenting on a growing and concerning narrative and way people are being judged. Yours was just more recent, but there were other things other people have said that really bothered me, but I didn't have time to respond prior.

If you feel targeted or lectured, I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention. I still maintain there are people being judgmental and righteous when I am sure we all have done regrettable things, and people confuse an act with a person's entire character.

 

[417th]

I have been and remain a Voynov "defender" from the start of this mess in that everyone should wait until all of the facts were in before hanging the guy and even then once he had plead no contest and served his sentence that he be allowed to return to the team and rebuild his reputation and game.

"Defender" because while what he plead no contest to was a disgusting act of cowardice he has already more than paid his dues before this last statement and deserved a chance to regain his reputation as a person and a player in the NHL.

If not then the line is long and notorious of current and former NHL players who have done as bad and worse who received everything from a slap on the wrist to no punishment at all that should be lined up and deported to their countries of origin and not allowed to return as well as be suspended by the NHL for a season to boot.

RoR had damned well better be suspended prior to the start of the season or the NHL is nothing more than a garbage joke of a league. If Kane pleads to a lesser charge than rape then he should be suspended and after he is released from a misdemeanor jail sentence be suspended by the NHL for a season or more. Heatley should have been in prison for the min 15 years that he was facing instead of the community service that he never had to serve. Drunk driving along with hit and run, willful destruction of private property should make it an easy decision for the NHL to suspend RoR for a full season and he should go to jail as well.

What happened to Voynov was a result of his own actions or so it has been established but what happens to everyone else who gets a misdemeanor from this point on who has an NHL contract should be handled in the exact same manner or the whole thing is simply b.s.

 

[Herby]

Patrick Kane is American.

 

[417th]

Patrick Kane is American.

Ive addressed that before. He should be forced to remain in the US and not allowed to play in Canada. In the same way that any Canadian born player shouldn't be allowed to enter the U.S.

 

[Herby]

Ive addressed that before. He should be forced to remain in the US and not allowed to play in Canada. In the same way that any Canadian born player shouldn't be allowed to enter the U.S.

Isn't that at the discretion of the Canadian authorities on who they allow and don't allow?

Immigration and customs wouldn't be one to really cover a citizen like Patrick Kane.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Richie and I were both commenting on a growing and concerning narrative and way people are being judged. Yours was just more recent, but there were other things other people have said that really bothered me, but I didn't have time to respond prior.

If you feel targeted or lectured, I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention. I still maintain there are people being judgmental and righteous when I am sure we all have done regrettable things, and people confuse an act with a person's entire character.

Much appreciated, and I probably overreacted--just don't want to get lumped in with the crowd I know you're discussing, the scarlet letter folks. I've definitely seen plenty of it--you're judged for life by an action, especially with athletes/celebrities, who we're only given a small window to. Can't say it's representative of their whole character for life, that's just not fair to human nature.

 

[TopT]

This still bothers me. I work with criminal drug addicts, the "scum of the earth" by layman's standards, and it has taught me one thing: very, very few people are truly "bad." People do bad things. Western cultures are absolutely obsessed with the good guy/bad guy dichotomy, and we're equally as obsessed with these revenge porn fantasies, where the "bad guy" gets his due. Maybe it's an oversaturation of narrative entertainment - everyone needs to have their role - I don't really know. But I constantly see this adage, that Voynov is an "awful human being," and it really bothers me.

Man, you really hit it on the head here. Its the Hollywood popculture that is embraced by politicians.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Man, you really hit it on the head here. Its the Hollywood popculture that is embraced by politicians.

I actually do really like that quote. Hollywood vision of justice is clouded by the idea of the pure hero vs. the twirling-moustache villain instead of the real grey area where most people live.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Brad, for the record, I didn't intend to single you out. I know I quoted you, but that wasn't my intent, and I know you've defended Voynov multiple times.

That post was the culmination of a lot frustration directed at the variety of things we've all been forced to endure from the hockey world.

So yeah. Didn't mean to single you out, brotha.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Brad, for the record, I didn't intend to single you out. I know I quoted you, but that wasn't my intent, and I know you've defended Voynov multiple times.

That post was the culmination of a lot frustration directed at the variety of things we've all been forced to endure from the hockey world.

So yeah. Didn't mean to single you out, brotha.

No worries! I feel you. And I definitely understood where it came from, I just wanted to make sure my ideas weren't coming out like the stuff you're alluding to.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I actually do really like that quote. Hollywood vision of justice is clouded by the idea of the pure hero vs. the twirling-moustache villain instead of the real grey area where most people live.

I'm not sure if that's just a Hollywood vision. Human beings try and simplify the complexity of existence all the time. Like I'm doing right now I guess. If we didn't, we probably wouldn't/couldn't get out of bed every morning. Not sure if society could function if we didn't. Not only do we try and simplify life, but if you agree with something, you can find any way to justify it. If you disagree with something, you'll find any way to not justify it.

Like our concept of time, language is also subjective. Terrorist, or freedom fighter. It all depends on your particular perspective.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Ive addressed that before. He should be forced to remain in the US and not allowed to play in Canada. In the same way that any Canadian born player shouldn't be allowed to enter the U.S.

If Kane plead to a deal or lost by trial I doubt whether or not he would be allowed into Canada would be an issue. He'd be gone from the Hawks and the NHL for awhile. I agree though that ROR should be suspended now since the precedent the NHL has set is that if you're arrested you get suspended immediately until the outcome of the trial. The fact that they are picking and choosing crimes as though crashing your truck through a closed coffee shop is not as bad as beating your spouse is ludicrous. ROR probably has issues with substance abuse as do many NHLers as us King fans should now understand very well.

 

[Ron*]

Patrick Kane is American.

Deport him anyway.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I'd build the biggest wall you've ever seen around Kane and I'd make Stan pay for it.

 

[Kings4thecup]

I'd build the biggest wall you've ever seen around Kane and I'd make Stan pay for it.

This sounds like Presidential Campaign empty promises. We're gonna hold you to it after the election...

 

[Reclamation Project]

Look at my poll numbers! I'll back it up.

 

[kingsfan28]

If Kane plead to a deal or lost by trial I doubt whether or not he would be allowed into Canada would be an issue. He'd be gone from the Hawks and the NHL for awhile. I agree though that ROR should be suspended now since the precedent the NHL has set is that if you're arrested you get suspended immediately until the outcome of the trial. The fact that they are picking and choosing crimes as though crashing your truck through a closed coffee shop is not as bad as beating your spouse is ludicrous. ROR probably has issues with substance abuse as do many NHLers as us King fans should now understand very well.

But, but, but it was the off season , he can be suspended [said every poster defending him]. I really hope the NHL takes all arrest as seriously as they did Voynovs, off season or not.

 

[Legionnaire]

But, but, but it was the off season , he can be suspended [said every poster defending him]. I really hope the NHL takes all arrest as seriously as they did Voynovs, off season or not.

And let's extrapolate that into the real world. Do you know how many people are arrested every day in the United States? So you're suggesting that kind of job and economic upheaval?