Should Yandle stay or go?

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Go read page 4 and 5 of last nights GDT.
Ekblad had 3-4 years of shit on him, did read the majority of posts here as a MOD in the GDTs during his rough development.
"Trade him! Trash! Bust! Ekbust/Ekbad/etc".

Whipping boy Matheson is gone so people will usually focus on the big earners. Right now it seems to be Yandle and Bob.

If anything, Bob gets more heat imo.
He's yelled at even when not playing or if he dares to exist on the screen.

And nobody says "Sound the alarm!!" but Yandle is a bum though

That “bum” has just as many points as Ekblad.

 

[austropanther]

Why do you keep dismissing the PP and special teams like they don't exist? We have the 6th best PP in the league, and Yandle is a big part of that.

Also, short handed we're bottom of the barrel at 22nd. Guess who's getting 1st duty as D on that job.....

So Yandle gets the reward for our successful PP and Ek the blame for our not so good PK? I thought this was a team sport... we all know that the most important player on the PK is the goalie and probably the C who takes the D zone faceoff. One single stellar PK D player hardly makes the difference, same goes for the PP.

Plus Ek would not have to spend as much time on the PK if Yands was not taking stupid penalties.

 

[austropanther]

You are correct about the QoC. You can't really fault a player for not performing against players he does not play against.

He makes creative passes outside the PP. He makes a lot of high difficulty passes so he has more giveaways than the others, but it's not especially high for the level of difficulty. We all see different things, but to me it's quite obvious that he sees openings that the other defensemen do not and it helps create chances. It is especially important for the second and third lines to be as productive as they are, which is important as we want to apply continuous pressure.

I don't think that Yandle necessarily sees the ice way better than the other D men to spot the holes in the other team's defense system. I think he is just more willing to take the risky play. Sometimes it pans out, sometimes it doesn't.

What we have not touched on at all is the coaching staff's decision where and when Yandle is used, and how they want him to play. It is quite obvious that he is let off the leash to make those risky plays. I guess other coaches (Torts or the old Lemaire) would not allowed it since they rather have sure possession than to take chances.

My point is that it is basically his only weapon. Look at the CAR D corps. They just skate it to a place where they can do damage and are not even forced to make the risky play. Yands is a one trick pony. He is not bad per se, but other Dmen on our team have surpassed him by being more versatile and reducing risk.

 

[Pigge]

I don't think that Yandle necessarily sees the ice way better than the other D men to spot the holes in the other team's defense system. I think he is just more willing to take the risky play. Sometimes it pans out, sometimes it doesn't.

What we have not touched on at all is the coaching staff's decision where and when Yandle is used, and how they want him to play. It is quite obvious that he is let off the leash to make those risky plays. I guess other coaches (Torts or the old Lemaire) would not allowed it since they rather have sure possession than to take chances.

My point is that it is basically his only weapon. Look at the CAR D corps. They just skate it to a place where they can do damage and are not even forced to make the risky play. Yands is a one trick pony. He is not bad per se, but other Dmen on our team have surpassed him by being more versatile and reducing risk.

So you are saying that we would be a better team with Jake Gardiner instead of Keith Yandle?

 

[KW]

I don't think that Yandle necessarily sees the ice way better than the other D men to spot the holes in the other team's defense system. I think he is just more willing to take the risky play. Sometimes it pans out, sometimes it doesn't.

What we have not touched on at all is the coaching staff's decision where and when Yandle is used, and how they want him to play. It is quite obvious that he is let off the leash to make those risky plays. I guess other coaches (Torts or the old Lemaire) would not allowed it since they rather have sure possession than to take chances.

My point is that it is basically his only weapon. Look at the CAR D corps. They just skate it to a place where they can do damage and are not even forced to make the risky play. Yands is a one trick pony. He is not bad per se, but other Dmen on our team have surpassed him by being more versatile and reducing risk.

I think actually the one thing Yandle excels at is seeing the passing options quickly AND acting on them. Weegar looks and looks and then the moment is gone. Yandle can see where a player is going to be. You can call them risky plays but usually the risk is icing. (ETA: I have the benefit of seeing them play live on occasion, and there’s stuff you don’t see on the broadcast, Weegar in particular has a lot to learn yet.)

I’m no Yandle fan, his negatives outweigh his one skill set. However, I’m trying to see the positive now that the team has gelled and finally they might be able to make some noise. Maybe. For now at least. There’s no way the team dynamics get upset right now with talk of Yandle being asked to waive his NMC. The time for that was the offseason, only DT would try it now.

 

[GermanPanther]

Sorry im total off with Yandle on PP and his play in our own Zone.
First, he started the Season or first 3-4 Games with a more physical Game pressing someone in the board and some other Stuff. Now we are in Game 14 and he is back into hsi avoid the Situation play.

@Pigge I read your post on the other Side, the long post move was anything but not easy, but standing alone in the Slot is an easy Goal with an wide open Angle.
We get more and real more Goals against us last Season, with letting People standing open in the Slot, now tell me how many Goals we get against with far post wrap around.
What Yandle is doing is nothing then avoid Situation and take the easy Way. Lead to a funny thing that people start to believe you can play only PP.

But when you cant add a single pass or a Game into your only PP pass that must hit to open it up, in an Age of 34 with a lot of expierence. Then, yes then i cant await that this Player is going away from this Team. Sorry his late Games from game 10, where he goes back into his old habits, tells me this early Season wake up brought nothing.
He feeld Comfort with his way he play.

 

[austropanther]

I think actually the one thing Yandle excels at is seeing the passing options quickly AND acting on them. Weegar looks and looks and then the moment is gone. Yandle can see where a player is going to be. You can call them risky plays but usually the risk is icing. (ETA: I have the benefit of seeing them play live on occasion, and there’s stuff you don’t see on the broadcast, Weegar in particular has a lot to learn yet.)

I’m no Yandle fan, his negatives outweigh his one skill set. However, I’m trying to see the positive now that the team has gelled and finally they might be able to make some noise. Maybe. For now at least. There’s no way the team dynamics get upset right now with talk of Yandle being asked to waive his NMC. The time for that was the offseason, only DT would try it now.

It is cool that you can attend the games. The tactical perspective is so much better, TV cannot keep up at all.

I get what you say. It is not a strong point of Weegar's game for sure. But his physical play, skating, defense and shooting ability definitely make up for it comparing to Yandle.

For it to be a real strong point of Yandle's game, I find he does not connect on it often enough. Plus our breakout system seems not to support this, we'd need a guy to constantly running for the homerun pass.

But I can agree with you: we are not obligated to resolve this issue for now since the team is having success. Nevertheless he'd be the first one on the backend I'd be ok with seeing to leave.

 

[austropanther]

So you are saying that we would be a better team with Jake Gardiner instead of Keith Yandle?

With a Minnesota boy? Any time

I did not follow Gardiner enough to make a direct comparison. I know he gets enough criticism. Why did you pick him to compare?
Would you like that trade?

I would be fine with a player as a 6th Dman that makes 2 million less than Yands, can skate while being a bit physical, can play some D, is disciplined, while Ek or Weegs or Forsling take Yandle's spot on the PP.

 

[Wander]

I've always been happy with Yandle but I guess I'm in a small minority.

 

[Pigge]

With a Minnesota boy? Any time

I did not follow Gardiner enough to make a direct comparison. I know he gets enough criticism. Why did you pick him to compare?
Would you like that trade?

I would be fine with a player as a 6th Dman that makes 2 million less than Yands, can skate while being a bit physical, can play some D, is disciplined, while Ek or Weegs or Forsling take Yandle's spot on the PP.

I picked him because he is the kind of poor man's offensive defenseman that starving teams pay $4M. He has a few more hits than Yandle but fewer blocked shots. He runs the PP2 but would be a downgrade as the PP1 QB (which he was in Toronto once upon a time). My point is that most teams carry offensive defensemen that are defensively unreliable (Gardiner was -24 last year, with the second worst Hurricane at -7). Gardiner is fine but I'd rather have Yandle, because he is lovable and it can be an annoying and costly process to find an adequate replacement (even if we were lucky in the past going straight from Brian Campbell to Yandle).

 

[CHGoalie27]

Just keep him with Gudas at all times and I doubt anyone has anything to complain about ever again.

I know this- we best win the cup this year or hope Zito makes a good enough deal with Seattle to stop them from swiping Gudas or Horny away....

 

[GrumpyKelly]

I picked him because he is the kind of poor man's offensive defenseman that starving teams pay $4M. He has a few more hits than Yandle but fewer blocked shots. He runs the PP2 but would be a downgrade as the PP1 QB (which he was in Toronto once upon a time). My point is that most teams carry offensive defensemen that are defensively unreliable (Gardiner was -24 last year, with the second worst Hurricane at -7). Gardiner is fine but I'd rather have Yandle, because he is lovable and it can be an annoying and costly process to find an adequate replacement (even if we were lucky in the past going straight from Brian Campbell to Yandle).

Lmao, are you his relative or what? Though it would explain why you are in denial with him. He's good as gone next off-season and trust me, the team won't miss a beat. And please don't compare Campbell to Yandle, Brian was a stud.

Gardiner's game has derailed due to injuries and Carolina almost immediately regretted signing him and have been trying to move him. But before injuries he was comparable to Yandle although he isn't afraid of contact like Yands. Both make boneheaded plays.

 

[Pigge]

Lmao, are you his relative or what? Though it would explain why you are in denial with him. He's good as gone next off-season and trust me, the team won't miss a beat. And please don't compare Campbell to Yandle, Brian was a stud.

Gardiner's game has derailed due to injuries and Carolina almost immediately regretted signing him and have been trying to move him. But before injuries he was comparable to Yandle although he isn't afraid of contact like Yands. Both make boneheaded plays.

You know who doesn't get derailed by injuries?

 

[GrumpyKelly]

You know who doesn't get derailed by injuries?

Yes it's our guy Yandle. If you watch him play you'll know why, he never gets hit. He takes the physicality out of hockey. Of course that means lost puck battles in the corners and in front of the net, hurried clearing attempts to avoid a hit that lead to turnovers etc. But who cares, at least he's healthy right.

Come on.

 

[KW]

Yes it's our guy Yandle. If you watch him play you'll know why, he never gets hit. He takes the physicality out of hockey. Of course that means lost puck battles in the corners and in front of the net, hurried clearing attempts to avoid a hit that lead to turnovers etc. But who cares, at least he's healthy right.

Come on.

OTOH, if he could jump and pirouette, he would be a favorite in hockey figure skating Olympic events.

 

[GrumpyKelly]

OTOH, if he could jump and pirouette, he would be a favorite in hockey figure skating Olympic events.

Seems like a great guy but not a fit for this team at all and way too expensive.

 

[Haj]

Yandle is overpaid for what he is. He is terrible to watch.

He is playing how he always plays.....he's fine sheltered on the 2nd pair and QBing the power play.

He's a positive xG player where you notice all his flaws constantly.

My preference would be to trade him, but he's good at his role even though overpaid.

 

[GermanPanther]

Just keep him with Gudas at all times and I doubt anyone has anything to complain about ever again.

I know this- we best win the cup this year or hope Zito makes a good enough deal with Seattle to stop them from swiping Gudas or Horny away....

Here i find always something to find someone in the Position, as Yandle.
He is horrible in the own Zone of defensive thinking, his Points came to 90% only from PP, he has now offensive ability in the 5on5 Games.
That could come that he is mostly the last man behind, what maybe comes from the Season before where he was to much over aggresive or wrong decision making in the own Zone.

And now its getting funny. He always move out the Puck fast, did he do it on his own or while other players ask for it.
On the other Side, did the Panthers work on a clean outbreak play. Why cause to much of those potentional passes turned into icing and turnovers and then someone explain me how i can score while when i dont have the Puck. I wouldnt say a thing, when those passes atleast hit the target. But around 60-70% of those potentional passes, dont connect with the reciever, wild throw into nowhere.
And the current League ranking for FO% are we ranked on place 19 out of 31 with 49% So we win only the half we take. So every Icing is a 50/50 Chance that the Puck stand in the offensive zone.

You know 50/50 in Sports you explain high risk plays with no other chances. Icing is no other Chances i dont know.
Yes Long passes are okay but they must hit the target.

Only the high Powerplay current is why Yandle still in the Game. 6,350 Million for PP i should play hockey 1 Way.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

PP specialist can be even the 7th d-man in those leagues that allow that. In this situation the problem is not where he plays but how much he earns.

But my point was that people were insisting that Yandle must play 1D because he gets paid 1D money. That’s not true. Guys with bad contracts get buried all the time.

The issue we have is that there’s only one defender who can help raise Yandle’s value on the ice, and that’s Aaron Ekblad. If he’s out there skating with any other defender, it becomes glaringly apparent how weak our D is.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Arguably his best game tonight, 2 assists at 5 on 5, one on PP
This is what we all saw his first 7 games.
Our offense can really pop when the defense produces as well.

Yandle with 3 helpers, had more points tonight then his last 7 games.
Ekblad with his 5th goal
Weegs with 1st goal and helper,.7pts in 15GP now?
Stralman with a helper.

 

[pb1300]

Arguably his best game tonight, 2 assists at 5 on 5, one on PP
This is what we all saw his first 7 games.
Our offense can really pop when the defense produces as well.

Yandle with 3 helpers, had more points tonight then his last 7 games.
Ekblad with his 5th goal
Weegs with 1st goal and helper,.7pts in 15GP now?
Stralman with a helper.

Ekblad has to get those points up just a little more. Just get your name closer to those top point getters, and you’ll be in the conversation for one of those Norris candidate spots.

 

[FrolikFan67]

It’s unlikely he’d get traded during the season anyways, possibly in the offseason. For now he’s fine, but if there’s a taker in the offseason and he’s willing to waive then I’d be fine completely fine with it. We’ll see how he plays the entire season, now with Gudas, and a new D coach. He just may never waive his nmc so we may be stuck with him (for at least one more year and then potentially a buyout in the final year? Idk)

 

[airbud]

I've always been happy with Yandle but I guess I'm in a small minority.

we're the silent majority, the yandle haters are just louder.

 

[austropanther]

we're the silent majority, the yandle haters are just louder.

Since Matheson is gone, the fanbase needs a new target.

Yands by far provides the most obvious reasons to be the new Matheson.

 

[GermanPanther]

we're the silent majority, the yandle haters are just louder.

Its quiet funny, that the Panthers play more physical and aggresive and they start wining. Also they look much better infront the net and clear outbreaks.
So and for what is Yandle standing since he joined this Franchise and his ongoing IronMenStreak.