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Should They be Hall of Famers Someday? I included active players. There is no "Other" choice, just post it.
I voted yes on everyone except Rose, Palmeiro, and Reuschel, and I'd entertain the last two.
I hope I never live to see Rose get the call.
I can think of plenty of other options - Mauer, Munson, Keith Hernandez, Joe Start, Ross Barnes, Bill Dahlen, Jack Glasscock, Dick Allen, Boyer, Minoso, Dwight Evans... I'd have more with my lists in front of me.
I voted yes on everyone except Rose, Palmeiro, and Reuschel, and I'd entertain the last two.
I hope I never live to see Rose get the call.
I can think of plenty of other options - Mauer, Munson, Keith Hernandez, Joe Start, Ross Barnes, Bill Dahlen, Jack Glasscock, Dick Allen, Boyer, Minoso, Dwight Evans... I'd have more with my lists in front of me.
6 players in history are members of both the 500 home run club, and the 3,000 hit club...
Palmeiro is one of the 6
Mays, Aaron, A-Rod, Pujols, and Eddie Murray are the others
If you're going to ignore steroid use with other players, how do you justify not voting for Palmeiro?
Rose should be in. And Bonds obviously. Without Bonds and Rose, the hall of fame is literally the "hall of 'not quite the best hitters but at least the best pitchers'"
So Ichiro not a HOF either?As you can see above OF/1B/3B Pete Rose's .409 SLG% is 935th all time. He belongs out.
Agreed.Rose compiled. He was a great singles hitter before the era of shifts.
I was operating off of memory and thought his career WAR was closer to 60 than past 70.
I actually have him as closer to borderline but on the right side of it in the statistical rankings I did a couple of years ago, ranking below McCovey and Chance and above Murray and Giambi. He had a relatively weak peak and prime compared to many other first basemen (much like Murray) and my system ranks peak rather highly.
I draw a firm line at Rose. I don't care what he did as a player - if I had a vote I would never, ever, under any circumstances vote for him or entertain a vote for him.
Rose isn't anywhere near Bonds as a hitter, or Ruth, Williams, Cobb, Mays, Aaron, Gehrig, Mantle, Speaker, Pujols, Schmidt, or several dozen other hitters. He's Paul Molitor with a couple extra good years and a lot more filler.
The HOF doesn't have all the best pitchers, either. Clemens is missing. Schilling and Dick Redding have clear-cut credentials, and plenty of other pitchers have good cases (including Kevin Brown, Reuschel, Saberhagen, David Cone, Dave Stieb, and several 19th century pitchers).
His 3562 games are the most ever.... Sure there are people with more hits per at bat, or more games played, ...
I was operating off of memory and thought his career WAR was closer to 60 than past 70.
I actually have him as closer to borderline but on the right side of it in the statistical rankings I did a couple of years ago, ranking below McCovey and Chance and above Murray and Giambi. He had a relatively weak peak and prime compared to many other first basemen (much like Murray) and my system ranks peak rather highly.
Rose compiled. He was a great singles hitter before the era of shifts.
... He may not have hit HRs, but he wasn't a slap hitter either. ...
Single (baseball) - WikipediaContact hitters who rely on positioning their hits well and having fast running speed to achieve singles are often called "slap hitters". Ty Cobb, Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn, and Ichiro Suzuki are examples of contact hitters; of these, Rose and Suzuki might be called slap hitters.
Calling him a great singles hitter isn't knocking his qualifications, it's being honest. He hit way more singles than everyone else and every now and then would drop the head a bit.3 batting titles
7x led the league in hits
13x top 10 in BA
17x top 10 in hits
Hit finishes of 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,5,5,7,9
15x top 10 in doubles
8x top 10 in triples
11x top 10 in total bases
sustained excellence <> "compiling"
He led the league in hits for the 1st time in 1965 at age 24, and for the last time in 1981 at age 40. In fact, as a 40 yr old he led the league in hits and was 2nd in BA at .325. He may not have hit HRs, but he wasnt a slap hitter either. He has the 40th best WAR among position players (64th overall).
You can easily say he shouldn't be in for his gambling on the game, and I agree. But you cant knock his qualifications as a player
Rose compiled. He was a great singles hitter before the era of shifts.
Pete Rose had 68 WAR in 12 seasons from 1965-76. He was absolutely not a compiler. Plus he was a monster in the playoffs - hit .321 and won 3 WS. And he was a great doubles hitter - led MLB 4 times in 5 years at one point. The corpse of Rose in the 1980s became a slap-happy singles hitter but that wasn't what he was in his prime.
If Pete Rose played only those 12 seasons, he's in the BHOF. Easily.
Someone like Lou Brock is actually a compiler.
And a war of around 12 in his other 12 seasons. Over 75% of his hits were singles. Not denying his peak was very, very good, but when you talk about Rose as a player, you talk about the total of hits. His legacy is literally compiling.Pete Rose had 68 WAR in 12 seasons from 1965-76. He was absolutely not a compiler. Plus he was a monster in the playoffs - hit .321 and won 3 WS. And he was a great doubles hitter - led MLB 4 times in 5 years at one point. The corpse of Rose in the 1980s became a slap-happy singles hitter but that wasn't what he was in his prime.
If Pete Rose played only those 12 seasons, he's in the BHOF. Easily.
Someone like Lou Brock is actually a compiler.
And a war of around 12 in his other 12 seasons. Over 75% of his hits were singles. Not denying his peak was very, very good, but when you talk about Rose as a player, you talk about the total of hits. His legacy is literally compiling.
Rose was a better player than Brock, and a different one.