Should the Caps Fire Barry Trotz (February 19th)

Discussion in 'Washington Capitals' started by Midnight Judges, Feb 19, 2018.

?

Should the Caps Fire Barry Trotz? (February 19th)

Poll closed Mar 22, 2018.
  1. Yes.

    78.0%
  2. No.

    22.0%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
View Users: View Users
  1. brachyrynchos

    brachyrynchos Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2017
    Messages:
    640
    Likes Received:
    238
    Trophy Points:
    46
    Ranger fans really want him, too. Babcock is safe w/ the leafs, so the idea is that TOR won't block any teams from negotiating with Keefe, not sure if he's the right guy or not, but he's done well with the Leafs prospects. Could bring a fresh perspective at a relatively cheaper salary.
     
  2. Blades of Steel

    Blades of Steel log off.

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Messages:
    5,593
    Likes Received:
    686
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    Virginia
    yeah, it's total joke :laugh:

    just trying to keep myself amused with years of disappointment, so why not point to something ridiculous..
     
  3. Lindemann

    Lindemann Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2017
    Messages:
    646
    Likes Received:
    428
    Trophy Points:
    59
    I fully believe in GMBM

    His trades for Kemp and Jab were looked at as dumpster dives but actually were very solid signings

    McPhee could never correctly dumpster dive
     
    RandyHolt likes this.
  4. justafan22

    justafan22 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2014
    Messages:
    4,510
    Likes Received:
    2,870
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Keefe would be great for you guys.
     
  5. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    41,960
    Likes Received:
    2,697
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Occupation:
    Devil’s Advocate, Caller of BS
    You don’t get it....moving on.
     
  6. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    41,960
    Likes Received:
    2,697
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Occupation:
    Devil’s Advocate, Caller of BS
    Well, the two top owners aren’t changing....now what? I don’t see anyone defending Leonsis or Patrick. Unfortunately they don’t play the games either. Backstrom is 10000% someone to consider in a franchise-altering trade scenario. Anyone not named Ovechkin should be and should have been years ago.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2018
  7. Eazy for Kuzy

    Eazy for Kuzy Moderator

    Joined:
    May 2, 2013
    Messages:
    26,382
    Likes Received:
    3,752
    Trophy Points:
    157
    Location:
    Toronto
    It's a lot more simple than that to me. If you look at the organization from top to bottom, you have GMBM who did his job each year to field the most competitive team. Then, Trotz coached them well enough to win a Stanley Cup last year, and well enough to win the division this year. Players have failed to execute the game plan. Some players do need to be replaced. I like our core for the most part, I just think some elements should be replaced/upgraded.

    Trotz will be replaced this summer, unless he gets us past the 2nd round by some miracle. Change is around the corner, for better or worse.
     
  8. Capsman

    Capsman Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2008
    Messages:
    6,323
    Likes Received:
    436
    Trophy Points:
    109
    What is the game plan? And assuming there’s a viable game plan, how do you know Trotz coaches it well? How do you know his game plan is suited to his personnel?

    All I see is a team that is very static offensively and doesn’t look like the players are on the same page.
     
  9. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    41,960
    Likes Received:
    2,697
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Occupation:
    Devil’s Advocate, Caller of BS
    You don't win as many games as he has at the top professional level and not coach pretty damn well and certainly not without some kind of game plan. It's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
     
    Eazy for Kuzy likes this.
  10. Eazy for Kuzy

    Eazy for Kuzy Moderator

    Joined:
    May 2, 2013
    Messages:
    26,382
    Likes Received:
    3,752
    Trophy Points:
    157
    Location:
    Toronto
    I have a hard time believing that the Caps could have been as successful as they have been without a game plan. Players fail to execute all the time. Whether it's a missed assignment defensively, a soft pass or a neutral zone turnover, we see them fail often. That was the issue to me in Game 7. Winnik shoots high and wide on a breakaway, Oshie misses a tap-in, Shattenkirk & Ovi fail to get the puck out. Compare us to the team we faced that day. The Penguins' players did very few mistakes and were very careful with the puck.
     
    CapitalsCupFantasy likes this.
  11. maacoshark

    maacoshark Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2017
    Messages:
    4,666
    Likes Received:
    1,310
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Obviously Trotz has a game plan. But you are right, do we have the personnel for his system? If that ius the case. Do we change the personnel or the system?
     
  12. mad4comp

    mad4comp Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2010
    Messages:
    4,181
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Nobody does... Which is why he didn't win with the defensive stalwart that was Nashville.... They were perfect for his system... unfortunately his "system" sucks. It's not the 1960's anymore... defense doesn't win championships. The dinosaur that is Trotz needs to find another line of work.
     
    calicapsfan likes this.
  13. maacoshark

    maacoshark Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2017
    Messages:
    4,666
    Likes Received:
    1,310
    Trophy Points:
    94
    We scored 4 goals tonight. That should be enough to win. We had a ton of shots. We didn't lose in the offensive zone. We lost in the defensive zone. Maybe Trotz doesnt use a defensive system. It sure doesnt look like it.
     
  14. peterthegreat12

    peterthegreat12 Hopeless Caps fan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2011
    Messages:
    2,760
    Likes Received:
    619
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    Washington DC
    You will defend Trotz at all costs.
     
  15. Holtbyisms

    Holtbyisms SY-STEM SY-STEM!!

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2012
    Messages:
    4,612
    Likes Received:
    528
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Occupation:
    Logistics
    Location:
    Bedford, PA
    < - - - - -
     
  16. Capsman

    Capsman Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2008
    Messages:
    6,323
    Likes Received:
    436
    Trophy Points:
    109
    We also gave up more goals tonight, is that on Vrana and Djoos?

    I also disagree that we lost in the defensieve zone only. 3 of our goals were PP goals and we had a ton of PP opportunities. We had one ES goal and for most of the game had trouble generating quality ES shots. And there is a huge element of shooting and crashing he net forb rebounds missing when we do get the chances, as we saw in the OT.
     
    RandyHolt likes this.
  17. WcRoenick97

    WcRoenick97 Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    1,999
    Likes Received:
    181
    Trophy Points:
    101
    Location:
    D.C.
    We need a coach with actual cup winning experience. We don’t need another up and comer or coach who has never been past the second round. We need Suter.
     
  18. Lindemann

    Lindemann Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2017
    Messages:
    646
    Likes Received:
    428
    Trophy Points:
    59
    It seems the logical choice is Reirden based on keeping him from interviews, etc

    But is he different than Trotz?

    I don’t know but today’s NHL is switching to translation and speed. We need a younger coach that can do that
     
  19. g00n

    g00n RIP Fugu

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2007
    Messages:
    18,930
    Likes Received:
    2,538
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    schmocation
    Too late to fire him, but he should be let go if they don't make the ECF at least. Obviously.

    If we hire a new coach that preaches speed I think things will change significantly. Recall that gmbm talked about getting faster and more aggressive after Barry's year 1 loss to the Rongos. To me, that along with the plugger roster moves we've made, tells me BT is involved in buying the groceries and he's not really cooking what gmbm is craving. Making the playoffs each year has likely saved his job and prevented a firing, while lackluster results will mean refusal to re-up his contract.

    I would not be surprised if we see a more uptempo team/coach with some roster moves made to dump some of the plodders. Then you need to worry about goaltenders that can stop a rush once in a while because if you think the puck is going the other way a lot now (it is, 2nd worst in the league) just wait until we're going balls to the wall offensively.
     
  20. Slateman

    Slateman Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2016
    Messages:
    537
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Yes. As part of a complete cleaning of house. But yes.
     
  21. maacoshark

    maacoshark Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2017
    Messages:
    4,666
    Likes Received:
    1,310
    Trophy Points:
    94
    I didn't mention Djoos or Vrana. Half of the roster has played poorly. Unfortunately we cant scratch them all.
    My point was that 4 goals should have been enough to win. We had chances to score more but Bobrovsky was pretty good. We got mediocre goaltending again
     
  22. Chimaera

    Chimaera same ol' Caps

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2004
    Messages:
    24,299
    Likes Received:
    200
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Location:
    La Plata, Maryland
    He should've been gone during the season.

    As it stands now, they're too late.
     
  23. trick9

    trick9 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    7,810
    Likes Received:
    477
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Still wondering why people generally agree that the defense sucks and has done so for entire year, and yet want to give Reirden a promotion?

    There are worse options, sure. But even if you think Trotz is controlling him and Reirden is not to blame at all, isn't it still a huge risk to promote him? I mean there are better coaches available. Even if you want to go with someone with no experience there are much better options available that don't come with such a huge red flag.
     
  24. nothingbeatshockey

    nothingbeatshockey Registered User

    Joined:
    May 3, 2013
    Messages:
    959
    Likes Received:
    146
    Trophy Points:
    61
    And herein lies the problem: if you do fire Trotz only to replace him with his assistant, has a change been made? Maybe Reirden would coach sufficiently different than Trotz to make a difference, but it seems more intuitive that finding someone new with actual playoff success would be more likely to produce a real coaching change.

    And, unless you're willing to substantially change the roster, you're just re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic.
     
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2018
  25. Capsman

    Capsman Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2008
    Messages:
    6,323
    Likes Received:
    436
    Trophy Points:
    109
    The good teams (Penguins, Nashville, Vegas) can play fast and get back quickly. They don't need to take unnecessary chances to generate scoring opportunities. And when they do, they are all well versed in covering for each other. Well oiled machines.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"