Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by Swedish Gretzky, Dec 20, 2018.
Most giveaways/60 on the Leafs top 4:
1. Rielly 3.6
2. Hainsey 3.3
3. Zaitsev 3.2
4. Gards 2.7
We have a shot at a cup. Please tell me people are not going to want us to trade a top 4 D for futures.
Unfortunately There are a LOT of dumb people in this fanbase
My take is simple.
I have never liked Gardiner, but I respect what he can bring offensively. To me it is a no brainer that while we have the Cap this year we keep him and try and make an add for a RHD. Let's say Petro.(love this guy)
You get Petro and you go for the cup and then you move Jake for whatever and you keep Petro. Next year you have
and who knows?
If we can 1 year Hainsey cheap you bring him back for the 2nd pair and let camp and nature sort out the rest.
This all looks nice, but let’s be straight here.. Dermott is not even close to Jake right now. Despite you never liking him, the fact he could
maybe go 7mill+ somewhere alone shows how much the league values him over a guy like Dermott.
Sure but if we pay Jake we never put money in a RHD. Dermott is not Jake, I get that and if he's not ready you have other options but if I'm choosing between Jake and Petro it's no debate, to me.
Having another legit top pairing guy seems like a more sound option and maybe the day comes when one of Rielly or Petro is on the ice practically the whole game.
We might lose some offense but we would also offset that with D and being more balanced. Did you not notice Boston ran everything through our right side last year? That needs a solution.
Not saying I'm right but I've had enough of his brain farts in our zone and not having a legit top 4 guy on the right side. I'm sure there are pros and cons to this scenario but it is the one I like.
Good luck making that trade. He's a UFA, so only a contender would want him, that rules out half the teams. You can't trade him to a team in the east, because then you're making the Leafs worse *and* making an opponent better. So that leaves maybe 10 teams that are potential trade partners, max, several of which would have no interest because D isn't their weakness. Then even if you can make a trade with the 5 or so realistic trade partners you also gotta figure out how to replace him for our playoff run.
He stays...100%. Then he leaves when out of contract. Any team in Toronto's position would do the same.
No it doesn't, that just tells me he's a UFA. The league values RFA/young players less. Dermott is still a bit green but safe to say he's just as talented as Gardiner.
99.9999% of odd man rushes happen when Gardiner is on the ice.
He does not move the needle in this town. He should be moved. No way he stays. Leafs should not bother to resign him. Gardiner is not in Reilly's league.
Jake Gardiner since October 17th (Started playing his regular minutes after missing most of camp):
5v5 adjusted (minimum 400 minutes, 132 dmen):
TOI: 565:25 (15th)
TOI QoC%: 29.3 (50th)
CF%: 52.76 (36th)
SF%: 50.64 (63rd)
GF%: 70.52 (1st)
SCF%: 55.11 (15th)
HDCF% 60.00 (7th)
Goals/60: .21 (57th)
Points/60: 1.27 (Tied for 15th with Giordano)
He's now on pace for 49 points this year.
His PDO is one of the highest in the league but his underlying numbers are still incredible so it not as bad as it looks. Here are the top 5 for PDO over this stretch:
Gards has been incredible and is gonna get paid.....but will the Leafs make the moves to keep him?
Gards is now 3rd best in the league in goals allowed per 60 among top 4 Dman since Oct 17 behind Zaitsev and Carlo (Shattenkirk this season plays 3rd league minutes with the Rangers); Gards was even #1 on the list prior to his awful 1st period against Det. Also this isn't just a new occurrence, Gardiners' goals against numbers has always been stellar since the Leafs became a playoff team in 2016.
we are making a serious run at the cup this year. We will give up prospect assets and picks and bulk up, not give away core assets that we need.
Ideally re-sign him, but I suppose its not likely.
But what do you give for Petro?
Heh, well I'm cheap. To me neither of our 2 goalie prospects or 1rst round d-man should be on the table.
I'd like something along the lines of our 1rst, Moore, Zaitsev and either a 2nd or any other Marlie not mentioned above.
That is what I would want to start around. If we could move Zai then our cap is in much better shape. Might cost more but this is what I would like to see it built around.
What do the top 4 dmen get traded for at the deadline? Futures
What would we get for gardiner? Futures
Let’s put 2 and 2 together oh we can upgrade gardiner using the package we got for gardiner plus? Sign me up
That is not going to happen though ..
Leafs will use Gardiner as an "Own Rental" player just like they used JVR last year to try and win in the playoffs, and then his return will be "free cap space" gained once he departs as a UFA, as he is unlikely to be re-signed due to a salary cap crunch next season.
PS.. I'm with you in principle when it comes to asset management, but I would have attempted to deal Gardiner last year at the draft or summer with 1 year remaining on his deal to replace him on the roster with a player with term that would have helped this year. Allowing players with value to walk away for free is not considered good asset management, so a more proactive thinking use of a pending UFA is desired to better manage the roster. Leaving that decision until this TD has actually missed the boat and now reactive as opposed to proactive trying to salvage the loss, and weakening your own Cup chances in the process mid season.
I think they sign Jake to a long term with most of the money up front. Probably 5.5-6 for 8yrs.
My god, 52 years without a finals appearance and we are giving up and trading a top 4 UFA D with the 2nd best record in the NHL.
I will enjoy the "We Are Not Good Enough" replies when an expansion team made the finals last year.
That sounds very complicated though and will be tough to do.
Yeah, I think the trade ship has sailed.
I Don’t think it wasn’t considered though.
I’m pretty certain he would have been moved if DeHaan chose TO during FA.
Pretty sure that woulda been the plan.
Hoping that TD and Ozi see tougher matchups in the second half, to see what they can do.
Just checking but you do know we are on the same page right?
I think the boat has sailed already on moving Gardiner. He'll be on the team for this year's playoffs. If we were going to move him, then maybe in the summer would have been the time to do it.
I think we will lose Gardiner in the off season due to cap constraints, and possibly a forward as well.
Am I the only one that thinks Gards has been pretty competent in his own zone this year?
I don't know, I don't watch the D a ton or really "note d mistakes" apart from obvious ones, but I just feel he has been relatively (for himself) solid.
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