Should Gardiner be traded prior to the deadline?

Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by Swedish Gretzky, Dec 20, 2018.

?

Should Gardiner be traded prior to the trade deadline?

  1. Yes - if they can secure quality assets

    26.4%
  2. No - he is needed for the upcoming cup run

    34.0%
  3. No - try to sign him to an extension

    9.8%
  4. Yes - if they can acquire assets to obtain a legit RHD for the playoffs

    29.8%
  1. Swedish Gretzky

    Swedish Gretzky Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2017
    Messages:
    772
    Likes Received:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    MD
    Location:
    Sweden
    Jake Gardiner is a beast. I consider him a quality #2 puck-moving offensibe defenseman.

    Eye test and likely back to back 50pt seasons with limited powerplay time just shows his high end skill. He will command 6+ million on long term deal as a free agent.

    In my opinion, there is little chance the Leafs can keep him long term given the anticipated cap constraints. And its also arguable that with the current roster composition, they may not be true contenders

    This begs the question -

    1. Should Leafs consider trading in a hockey trade - get assets to help acquire a right handed defenseman - for this playoff run. For example:

    To toronto: Brett Pesce (from carolina)
    To Carolina: assets, offense (from Tor and team x)
    To team X: Jake gardiner (from tor)


    2. Or keep him as a own-rental then let him walk


    PLEASE BE ON THE RECORD AND INCLUDE YOUR REASONING behing your decision if you also choose to leave a comment
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2018
  2. AllDay28

    AllDay28 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2015
    Messages:
    1,789
    Likes Received:
    523
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    nope.
     
  3. ACC1224

    ACC1224 Eye test expert

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2002
    Messages:
    48,644
    Likes Received:
    4,631
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Sure if it makes the team better.
    Most likely stays and walks in the summer.
    Those pining for picks and prospects will be disappointed.
     
  4. HouseofBuggins

    HouseofBuggins Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2013
    Messages:
    2,852
    Likes Received:
    1,267
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    Hamilton
  5. Swedish Gretzky

    Swedish Gretzky Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2017
    Messages:
    772
    Likes Received:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    MD
    Location:
    Sweden
    Please read original thread
     
  6. Volcanologist

    Volcanologist Used Register

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2003
    Messages:
    24,209
    Likes Received:
    1,801
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    Toronto
    They didn't move JVR, and they need defencemen a lot more. he'll likely walk.
     
  7. JT AM da real deal

    JT AM da real deal Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2018
    Messages:
    1,640
    Likes Received:
    530
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Gender:
    Male
    In trade Gards camp for a solid RH defensive defender at lower CAP (but not a guy who clubs it out but a tough guy with size who can skate like a Trouba type)
     
    sittler rules!!! likes this.
  8. TDotMassive

    TDotMassive Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2018
    Messages:
    452
    Likes Received:
    232
    Trophy Points:
    33
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Saiyan Warrior
    Location:
    6ix
    If he takes a discount to stay, signs for about $5m then maybe... otherwise, no chance. Still gotta pay M+M and Kappy this offseason. Gardiner is low priority. For all he offers offensively, he makes absurd defensive mistakes in high stakes/high pressure situations.
     
    Cobra777 and 4StevieBlunder4 like this.
  9. Swedish Gretzky

    Swedish Gretzky Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2017
    Messages:
    772
    Likes Received:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    MD
    Location:
    Sweden
    He will command at least 6.5-7 million AAV.
     
  10. Suntouchable13

    Suntouchable13 Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2003
    Messages:
    30,673
    Likes Received:
    2,889
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Thornhill, ON
    There is no way you subtract from this team. Winning at least 1 round is important this season, in my opinion. Even if you don't think we can win the Cup this year, winning a round or 2 will go a long way to make us better. You don't go from losing in the 1st round 3 straight years to straight winning the cup. At least not usually. I am not interested in weakening the team.
     
  11. JT AM da real deal

    JT AM da real deal Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2018
    Messages:
    1,640
    Likes Received:
    530
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Gender:
    Male
    Not even a remote chance we can afford 6.5M next season. Add up the numbers it will be way over the CAP. The following season we could but not next year.
     
  12. Spirit of 67

    Spirit of 67 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Messages:
    5,457
    Likes Received:
    3,291
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Location:
    Toronto, On.
    He will finish out his contract and then walk in UFA.

    Contenders don't trade guys like this only to use assets to acquire a guy like this.

    He's an "own rental."
     
    Lupuls Grit and NiftyMits like this.
  13. Swedish Gretzky

    Swedish Gretzky Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2017
    Messages:
    772
    Likes Received:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    MD
    Location:
    Sweden
    The original thread states to trade him to acquire assets to obtain a quality right handed D. Not a net subtraction
     
  14. OmniCube

    OmniCube Kefka did it for the lulz

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2012
    Messages:
    3,341
    Likes Received:
    2,367
    Trophy Points:
    126
    Occupation:
    Vic Viper
    Location:
    Bacterion
    If by traded you mean for futures, then it's not going to happen. Contending teams don't intentionally make their roster worse heading into the playoffs. It's theoretically possible for Gardiner to be part of a trade that makes the Leafs better long-term without weakening them this year but it's incredibly unlikely.

    He'll be kept this year and walk as a UFA because there's no way we can afford him next year. If the Leafs are adding $$$ to the blueline on this team it really needs to be on the other side unless a deal is too impossibly good to pass up.
     
  15. Stacker29

    Stacker29 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2015
    Messages:
    137
    Likes Received:
    61
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Last year JVR and Bozak should have been traded.

    This year Gardiner should not be.

    Nobody really thought we were taking down the Cup last year. JVR ad Bozak likely would have added a first, and a whack of 2nd/3rd rounders and prospects to our youth. It would have set us up this year to make the big splash and be a buyer at the deadline.

    This year we’re one of a few legitimate contenders. We can not afford to move Jake Gardiner, even if adding another defenceman.
     
  16. AllDay28

    AllDay28 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2015
    Messages:
    1,789
    Likes Received:
    523
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    if we trade talent at fear of losing to for nothing, then we should just fold as a organization cause no one wins without their elite players and no winning team sells at the deadline. No team would trade young controllable assets for a player whos gonna leave as a UFA, and why would we want to help our competition come playoff time?

    its very much on the record that Gardiners agent has been talking to the Leafs. He wants to stay. He will take a hometown discount to remain if the number works, you heard it here first.
     
  17. Suntouchable13

    Suntouchable13 Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2003
    Messages:
    30,673
    Likes Received:
    2,889
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Thornhill, ON
    I know what you meant, but you will not get assets that help you this season in a trade of Gards. You would be trading him to a potential cup contender, correct? Those teams don't give up any NHL ready assets. You would only get futures. I am interested in assets that can help us in the playoffs this season. Not 2 or 3 years from now, if at all.
     
  18. ChuckWoods

    ChuckWoods Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    Messages:
    5,022
    Likes Received:
    401
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Zero percent change they move him for futures.

    That would fracture the room if they were looking to deal him for long term assets, a direct slap in the face to this current core.

    As a rental, he’s the best there would be on the market and let’s consider ourselves lucky we don’t have to spend assets to acquire someone like him.

    Only scenario I deal him for is a legitimate top pairing RHD that can consume significant minutes, someone like Jake Trouba, and that isn’t happening either. The odds on that are extremely thin.
     
    Lupuls Grit and ACC1224 like this.
  19. SAMCRO44

    SAMCRO44 Registered User Sponsor

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Messages:
    11,788
    Likes Received:
    3,175
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hamilton, ON
    The time would have been in the summer.
    Like JVR and Bozak last year, too late now.
    Unless they somehow can flip him for another d-man, which I highly doubt
     
  20. OmniCube

    OmniCube Kefka did it for the lulz

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2012
    Messages:
    3,341
    Likes Received:
    2,367
    Trophy Points:
    126
    Occupation:
    Vic Viper
    Location:
    Bacterion
    I can understand not moving JVR or Bozak (not saying I necessarily agree with that decision) but what definitely should NOT have happened last year was that stupid-ass Turtleneck trade. Complete waste.
     
  21. TheProspector

    TheProspector Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    4,384
    Likes Received:
    488
    Trophy Points:
    124
    Location:
    Orlando
    It would be really hard to trade Gardiner, and make the team better in 2018. So, no. But if it somehow made the team better? Sure. So it'd all be dependent on the deal.
     
  22. Swedish Gretzky

    Swedish Gretzky Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2017
    Messages:
    772
    Likes Received:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    49
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    MD
    Location:
    Sweden
    Eg.
    To toronto: Brett Pesce
    To Carolina: assets, offense (from Tor and team x)
    To team X: Jake gardiner
     
  23. Jack Bauer

    Jack Bauer Registered User

    Joined:
    May 30, 2007
    Messages:
    5,914
    Likes Received:
    514
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Location:
    Cape Breton
    Not a black and white.

    If someone is willing to overpay and we can turn the assets and cap space into a multi year asset then that is the smart route to take.

    But we shouldn't be shopping his because he's a UFA. Cup contenders take that risk.

    If Gardiner is going out something major has to be coming in.
     
  24. Jack Bauer

    Jack Bauer Registered User

    Joined:
    May 30, 2007
    Messages:
    5,914
    Likes Received:
    514
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Location:
    Cape Breton
    Why are we helping another contender by downgrading our D while seemingly paying a premium to do so?
     
    The Man with a Plan likes this.
  25. Nithoniniel

    Nithoniniel Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2012
    Messages:
    18,143
    Likes Received:
    9,132
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Skövde, Sweden
    You trade pieces like this in the summer, or you set them up to be lapped by young talent to address areas of weakness. You don't trade an important piece from an area of weakness if you're a contender.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"