Confirmed with Link: Sheldon Keefe Fired -- Discussion Thread

[Menzinger]

It's got to be almost a jaw dropping shock if it's not Berube at this point...

 

[notdoneyet]

Does it make you angry that he never did it here in 5 seasons or for some other reason?

The same people that are happy that Keefe is gone because he didn't get results wanted us to keep Hyman even though he didn't get results.

We asked Hyman to be the puck retriever for matthews and marner which he couldn’t do to his size
Edmonton has him going to the net what he does well and wait for the puck in the dirty area

 

[JKG33]

How can you look at Florida and then our roster that this is fine and think that all we need to do is add more Bertuzzis and Domis again? I don’t get it.

Florida is built almost the exact opposite as the Leafs. Great goalie, great group of d-men, and a forward group where every single one of them plays a playoff brand of hockey

 

[ACC1224]

So you want Marner back and resigned?

I find that what I want makes little difference.

 

[The Masters]

Winning the Tampa series when we shouldn't have was payback for losing the year prior when we should have won.

I hate that no one gives credit to the win.

why cuz the Justin Holl pick? lol
Even if we give him credit for 1 series win. His record is still dog shyt

 

[notbias]

why cuz the Justin Holl pick? lol
Even if we give him credit for 1 series win. His record is still dog shyt

What are you talking about?

We asked Hyman to be the puck retriever for matthews and marner which he couldn’t do to his size
Edmonton has him going to the net what he does well and wait for the puck in the dirty area

He has a lot of hits for standing in front of the net

 

[The Masters]

 

[fahad203]

Florida is built almost the exact opposite as the Leafs. Great goalie, great group of d-men, and a forward group where every single one of them plays a playoff brand of hockey

Anyone who watched last night's game would have found out how to respond to a bad loss
Game 4 at home we came out total flat. No energy after losing game 3

We have skilled players play tough, they have tough players who can play skilled game

 

[The Masters]

What are you talking about?

re-read. the team got out played and outcoached by a team raddled with injuries.

 

[yubbers]

Many people on this very board had early concerns after what they saw in the CBJ play-in series.

GTFO and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Waiving Big Mac for Sparks only to kick the known hot head off the team a week before that series....

My favorite Dubas/Keefe memory

How can you look at Florida and then our roster that this is fine and think that all we need to do is add more Bertuzzis and Domis again? I don’t get it.

We need to stop pretending Reily is a top pairing damn and get a legit shut down guy. And another guy on the back end that's has a shot that's respected. Main reason our PP is trash. Nobody fears the muffins from the blue line

We need a goalie cause Woll is made of glass.

Marner and Tavares cap gives us more than enough to make that happen

 

[notbias]

re-read. the team got out played and outcoached by a team raddled with injuries.

They didn't, but alright. Whatever works for you, re-write history.

First series against Tampa, they outplayed Tampa and lost, the next they got outplayed and won.

 

[Jojalu]

Yeah that's fair. But I think it's also true that team stopped playing for Babs or he would have been around for a bit longer at least. And yeah Keefe had a nice long term here as it is but still, I think he made some mistakes but overall, I'd say Keefe still did a better job coaching than the players did playing.

I don't think anyone can really debate anymore that it hasn't been a complete failure with the core 4.

I don't know if just a new coach can do anything except maybe win 1 round.

Having Nylander and Matthews locked up longer term at 11+ leaves Marner and Tavares out of the equation pretty much if they want to seriously make some changes.

 

[The Masters]

-250 big odds

 

[notbias]

We asked Hyman to be the puck retriever for matthews and marner which he couldn’t do to his size
Edmonton has him going to the net what he does well and wait for the puck in the dirty area

Also, he has almost identical numbers in hits/takeaways from Toronto to Edmonton.

Assuming those would be the most relevant stats to prove that he went from a guy who forechecks hard and gets the puck out to mostly a netfront presence.

I think it is just more likely that McDavid opens up more space and it allows him to find the space easier.

Not sure his style changed.

 

[The Masters]

They didn't, but alright. Whatever works for you, re-write history.

First series against Tampa, they outplayed Tampa and lost, the next they got outplayed and won.

yes they did lol. they got out played in that series go re-watch. for once sammy won a few games

 

[Suntouchable13]

They didn't, but alright. Whatever works for you, re-write history.

First series against Tampa, they outplayed Tampa and lost, the next they got outplayed and won.

People give credit where credit is due, but also criticize when it’s warranted. I don’t know if anyone is being unfair here. Some people prefer to not hold anyone accountable at all.

 

[MSZ]

I'm surprised that Woodcroft is listed as one of the candidates, what has he done in Edmonton?

 

[socko]

Here is Mike Babcock when I introduce him as the new coach to the core.

 

[notbias]

People give credit where credit is due, but also criticize when it’s warranted. I don’t know if anyone is being unfair here. Some people prefer to not hold anyone accountable at all.

All I am saying is that in 2023, the Leafs deserved to lose but won.

And in 2022 they deserved to win but lost.

I thought this was universally agreed upon.

I just find it weird to say "they were outplayed/outcoached every series, even the one they won" and then ignore any time they've outplayed the opposition.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

I find that what I want makes little difference.

Yes, same as me, but I was just asking for your opinion.

 

[Peasy]

Class act by Keefe.

Obviously wasnt the man for the job and clearly didn't get results, but I respect him still doing that presser and his message after the firing.

 

[Al14]

This core deserves John Brophy…….

Yep, maybe a dead guy can get it done behind the bench !!!

 

[CabanaBoy5]

You do realize Berube took over in late November right? You do realize the Blues struggled when he was hired as interim manager on November 18 2018 to Christmas which was my point. When the calendar year turned to 2019 their record was 15-18-4. Granted they finished off the year 30-10-5 and he became the first interim coach to win a cup. By 2022-23 his record was 37-38-7 and he was fired the year after with a record of 13-14-1. Not a long run of success.

 

[Jojalu]

Waiving Big Mac for Sparks only to kick the known hot head off the team a week before that series....

My favorite Dubas/Keefe memory
We need to stop pretending Reily is a top pairing damn and get a legit shut down guy. And another guy on the back end that's has a shot that's respected. Main reason our PP is trash. Nobody fears the muffins from the blue line

We need a goalie cause Woll is made of glass.

Marner and Tavares cap gives us more than enough to make that happen

You could get Tanev, Zadorov and resign Edmunson with Brodie, and one of JT/Marner gone.

Tanev could play with Rielly 5v5, and Zadorov has a cannon on the PP.

They could run 3 and 2 on the PP.

Rielly is good at keeping the puck in the zone. He can tee up Zadorov all day, or if the play high against him, feed it across to Matthews.

If they really decided to make huge changes, they could open up 40+ million in capspace

 

[Clark4Ever]

As others have stated, Keefe was a likeable coach that had some success during his tenure but the time had come for a change based on his overall post season record.

I wish him the best.