Sheldon Keefe Discussion

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  1. Pookie Wear a mask

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    doss the idea that you have been using statistics inappropriately really cause this much dissonance?

    I mean seriously.

    You are shown that technically, you can’t compare Keefe’s stats to a coach’s stats in another division to make a point on a message board.

    of course we can compare observations. Hell 65 writers could vote on it.

    but accenting your observations with a stat would carry an asterisk.

    “*” <—— that is what this is all about? Seriously?
     
  2. Dekes For Days Registered User

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    I haven't been using statistics inappropriately. You're just attempting to dodge answering for your incorrect statements by arbitrarily dismissing anything that doesn't fit your narrative.
    You haven't shown this at all. You were wrong. Time to accept it.
     
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  3. Dekes For Days Registered User

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    Teams don't face each other even close to equally in a "normal" year. And they face each other at different times, on hot or cold streaks. They face each other with varying levels of injury for either their own team or opponents. They face different amounts of starters and backups. They get different amounts of back to backs. Travel is different. Etc, etc, etc. Clearly it's absurd to suddenly throw out all data due to a different schedule configuration, especially when there is no evidence of any significant difference between the quality of the divisions.
     
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  4. Korg My name is Korg; I'm made of rocks.

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    The most popular sport in the world does in all the top leagues, but I agree with your overall point.
     
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  5. Pookie Wear a mask

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    All the best. I recognize that there is no win in here for anyone in this thread in continuing to reply.

    I could point out the absurdity of trying to equate this season with others that have unbalanced schedules and injuries. An argument that I’ve never made.

    but what’s the point? Ya just don’t get it.

    For whatever reason... this is a big deal to think you do get it.

    The last word is yours monsieur.

    I will think of you every time I hear of an NCAA AP Poll.
     
  6. Volcanologist Used Register

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    Poor Pookie.

    has to be killing him to see this Dubas Leaf team near the top.

    all those keystrokes wasted.
     
  7. zeke The Dube Abides

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    Since Keefe:


    Matthews: 91gms, 21:44toi, 60gl/100pt pace, 57.8xgf% (+4.5rel)
    Marner: 89gms, 22:29toi, 27gl/100pt pace, 57.7xgf% (+5.0rel)
    Hyman: 90gms, 19:16toi, 32gl/62pt pace, 57.3xgf% (+4.1rel)

    Tavares: 95gms, 19:06toi, 32gl/78pt pace, 55.9xgf% (+1.8rel)
    Nylander: 88gms, 17:29toi, 35gl/72pt pace, 56.2xgf% (+2.4rel)
    FoliPPGno: 2gms, 16:37toi, 0gl/82pt pace, 61.5xgf% (+7.7rel)

    Kerfoot: 92gms, 14:29toi, 11gl/35pt pace, 51.7xgf% (-3.4rel)
    Mikheyev: 62gms, 14:28toi, 13gl/36pt pace, 54.7xgf% (-1.3rel)
    Galchenyuk: 18gms, 14:02toi, 9gl/32pt pace, 61.6xgf% (+1.8rel)

    Spezza: 91gms, 10:48toi, 14gl/38pt pace, 51.9xgf% (-3.7rel)
    Thornton: 36gms, 13:45toi, 9gl/32pt pace, 55.2xgf% (-2.3rel)
    Simmonds: 30gms, 11:57toi, 19gl/25pt pace, 57.1xgf% (-0.2rel)

    Brooks: 12gms, 8:18toi, 14gl/41pt pace, 50.2xgf% (-4.0rel)
    Engvall: 84gms, 11:57toi, 11gl/23pt pace, 51.8xgf% (-3.2rel)
    Robertson: 6gms, 9:26toi, 0gl/14pt pace, 57.5xgf% (-0.5rel)


    Rielly: 72gms, 23:36toi, 5gl/46pt pace, 54.1xgf% (-2.8rel)
    Muzzin: 77gms, 21:33toi, 5gl/33pt pace, 57.3xgf% (+3.6rel)

    Brodie: 48gms, 21:29toi, 2gl/22pt pace, 55.8xgf% (+0.0rel)
    Holl: 95gms, 20:46toi, 3gl/25pt pace, 55.0xgf% (+0.6rel)

    Dermott: 89gms, 15:34toi, 5gl/13pt pace, 55.0xgf% (+0.4rel)
    Bogosian: 45gms, 14:32toi, 0gl/7pt pace, 57.0xgf% (+1.6rel)

    Sandin: 26gms, 14:28toi, 3gl/25pt pace, 49.1xgf% (-4.7rel)
    Liljegren: 11gms, 10:18toi, 0gl/8pt pace, 36.6xgf% (-16.8rel)


    Andersen: 58gms, .904sv%, 107pt pace, -0.09gsaa/60
    Campbell: 22gms, .920sv%, 127pt pace, +0.38gsaa/60

    Hutchinson: 17gms, .905sv%, 87pt pace, -0.05gsaa/60
    Rittich: 3gms, .877sv%, 41pt pace, -0.82gsaa/60
     
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    In a normal season schedules are 75% the same , twice against each opponent, the last 25 % is within Conference.

    75% is a lot greater than 0 %.
     
  9. Dekes For Days Registered User

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    But they're not, as I explained in that post you just quoted, but seemingly ignored.
     
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    Better go brush up on your Math.
    75% same team scheduling is > 0%,

    Edmonton does not equal Tampa Bay etc.
     
  11. Dekes For Days Registered User

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    My math is just fine, thanks. You're just not understanding the discussion, and the countless ways in which opponent quality and schedule difficulty can vary, even in a "normal" year. Try reading again.
     
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    I read it fine thanks,
    Different scheduling , days off ......etc, does not come close to making up the difference in playing Ottawa, Calgary, vs Vegas and Tampa Bay.
     
  13. Dekes For Days Registered User

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    Well obviously the top teams from one division are not the same as the bottom teams from another division, but I'm not sure what you think that has to do with this discussion...
     
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    Agreed.
     
  15. zeke The Dube Abides

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    Maybe a good measure of the strength of each division would be looking at how much teams have improved or not moving to their new division:


    Central

    CAR: .596 --> .723 (+.127)
    TBL: .657 --> .688 (+.031)
    FLA: .565 --> .684 (+.119)
    DAL: .594 --> .553 (-.041)
    NSH: .565 --> .551 (-.014)
    CHI: .514 --> .510 (-.004)
    DET: .275 --> .420 (+.145)
    CBJ: .579 --> .400 (-.179)
    TOTAL: +.184

    West

    VGK .606 --> .745 (+.139)
    COL .657 --> .733 (+.076)
    MIN .558 --> .691 (+.133)
    STL .662 --> .511 (-.151)
    ARZ .529 --> .490 (-.039)
    SJS .450 --> .436 (-.014)
    LAK .457 --> .444 (-.013)
    ANA .450 --> .365 (-.085)
    TOTAL: +.046

    North:

    TOR .579 --> .677 (+.098)
    EDM .585 --> .622 (+.037)
    WPG .563 --> .606 (+.043)
    MTL .500 --> .533 (+.033)
    VAN .565 --> .500 (-.050)
    CGY .564 --> .479 (-.085)
    OTT .437 --> .396 (-.041)
    TOTAL: +.035

    East

    WSH: .654 --> .688 (+.034)
    PIT: .623 --> .684 (+.061)
    NYI: .588 --> .656 (+.068)
    BOS: .714 --> .638 (-.076)
    NYR: .564 --> .571 (+.007)
    PHI: .645 --> .531 (-.114)
    NJD: .493 --> .365 (-.128)
    BUF: .493 --> .337 (-.156)
    TOTAL: -.304


    It's the teams in the Central that have seen by far the biggest boost in wins and losses with the division changes.

    West and North are close, but West slightly bigger.

    Unsurprisingly, its the teams in the East that have taken by far the biggest hit.
     
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    There’s something I’ve noticed of late with Keefe that I don’t love.

    At the end of close games, he’ll keep Matthews/Marner out there for the final 2+ minutes. I understand that they’re (by far) our best guys, but I have to think that after 90 seconds on the ice, putting Tavares+Kefoot/Nylander/Soupy/Spezza out there at 90% is more effective than having a gassed Matthews/Marner trying to close the game.

    I love Matthews/Marner closing games, but playing them for the final 2+ minutes just seems like a recipe for disaster.
     

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