Sheldon Keefe Discussion

[Menzinger]

Well you don’t know then. He can play and has played. Just stop. Wow. Sabourine was taking more starts in the defensive zone with Ottawa why do you think. Not the first time you post dead wrong crap against players you don’t like. You were all against Bogosian a while back too. Just stop.

The only way I see him getting icetime is if Keefe thinks he can trust him with 8ish minutes of 5v5 play beyond just being tough.

So it likely depends on what he shows thr coaches at practice but its likely an uphill battle for him right now

 

[Goose]

I really don’t know how to judge coaching, other than I feel like Leo Komarov shouldn’t consistently be chewing up 1st PP time and shouldn’t be on the ice when a team is down a goal with under a minute left.

We no longer have Leo on the team, so I find myself unable to judge Keefe.

 

[Cams]

Yeah Adam does not have a filter (i hope he gets one as no way he can continue on like that) but he is like 20 years younger than me playing a supposed friendly alum game in Sudbury like 10 years ago ... we are a group of older guys really just in it for a few beers against some younger guys in 20/30's ... well dude decides to ram me into glass as I am going back to pick up puck on wall ... and he says to me GAME ON ... no biggie for me that was my game so i didn't think much of it and i laugh at him ... next thing i know mcrae jumps over bench and we got a full scale brawl going on between those 2 and a young gun destroys an older guy which ended up cancelling da game .. some guys never get it ... i don't' think he will

That is likely a product of all the OHL/pre-OHL stuff that went on I would think?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

That is likely a product of all the OHL/pre-OHL stuff that went on I would think?

I hope he has grown up a little over past few years like his bro ...

 

[MSZ]

The Leafs are 45-19-7 since Keefe took over.

 

[Leaftors]

i'm interested to see how keefe gets simmonds back in the lineup when he's back.

You're never going to touch lines 1-2-3 now - unless there's an injury.

 

[zeke]

The Leafs are 45-19-7 since Keefe took over.

#3 pts%
#2 row%
#2 gl diff%
#2 xgl diff%

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Wings fan coming in peace!

Gonna shove my hatred of the Leafs down deep and say I’m impressed with the way your team has come along

Such a dangerous lineup and I could see the Leafs easily winning the cup, much to my dismay although the drain on HF servers when it happens would be worth it

I look forward to the day where we have a full legit NHL roster and can compete against Toronto

 

[Egghead1999]

The second Vancouver game loss was on him because Keefe could not do any meaningful in-game adjustment and settled his players. When Vancouver choked up the passing line, the top players seemed helpless in the game. Leafs should not be like this because Leafs has Am34 and Nylander as game-breakers. If AM34 cannot shoot the puck, it means that there is no real shooter in the top-line. Keefe should move players around (moving eleven to the top-line was not an answer). Also, Keefe should call a time-out to settle the player. Anyway, let see what happens in the jet game. If it is the same, Keefe is only a good coach when things go his way.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

The second Vancouver game loss was on him because Keefe could not do any meaningful in-game adjustment and settled his players. When Vancouver choked up the passing line, the top players seemed helpless in the game. Leafs should not be like this because Leafs has Am34 and Nylander as game-breakers. If AM34 cannot shoot the puck, it means that there is no real shooter in the top-line. Keefe should move players around (moving eleven to the top-line was not an answer). Also, Keefe should call a time-out to settle the player. Anyway, let see what happens in the jet game. If it is the same, Keefe is only a good coach when things go his way.

I feel like I just read a robots opinion of this game. You can't fool me Skynet.

 

[zeke]

Goals/Points Paces and Save% under Keefe (77gms, 105pt pace):

 

[zeke]

Under Keefe (77gms)

#5 64.3 Pts%
#4 59.7 Row%

#5 54.6 GF%
#2 53.8 xGF%

#4 10.9 SH%
#17 90.5 SV%


5v5

#10 53.3 GF%
#6 53.4 xGF%

#2 2.54 xGF/60
#7 56.8 CF/60

#15 2.22 xGA/60
#12 53.1 CA/60


PP

#1 10.30 GF/60
#6 7.14 xGF/60
#3 57.9 SF/60

PK

#18 7.52 GA/60
#1 5.46 xGA/60
#5 46.4 SA/60
#25 83.8 SV%

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

My only complaint with Keefe is that our D pairings very clearly have been struggling since Muzzin broke his face. He has struggled to move the puck and Holl has looked slow and awkward when on his heels constantly chasing. His confidence has diminished since his partner cant move the puck well anymore (Most likely playing with a bubble has impacted this...)

Why not switch up the pairings and get another look?

Rielly Bogosian
Muzzin Brodie
Dermott Holl

Give us some more balance in the line up and promote BOGO who has been arguably our best d man recently. Atleast he is most consistent. Also, Brodie can then help muzz with the zone exits and shelter him while he is hurt.

 

[Stephen]

My only complaint with Keefe is that our D pairings very clearly have been struggling since Muzzin broke his face. He has struggled to move the puck and Holl has looked slow and awkward when on his heels constantly chasing. His confidence has diminished since his partner cant move the puck well anymore (Most likely playing with a bubble has impacted this...)

Why not switch up the pairings and get another look?

Rielly Bogosian
Muzzin Brodie
Dermott Holl

Give us some more balance in the line up and promote BOGO who has been arguably our best d man recently. Atleast he is most consistent. Also, Brodie can then help muzz with the zone exits and shelter him while he is hurt.

The way the Leafs gave away 5 of the last 6, you almost wish they gave Muzzin a little more time to heal his face. He's pretty ineffective out there and we could have had a little more Lehtonen evaluation time.

 

[Confucius]

The way the Leafs gave away 5 of the last 6, you almost wish they gave Muzzin a little more time to heal his face. He's pretty ineffective out there and we could have had a little more Lehtonen evaluation time.

And Mathews, Id still give Mathews the next 2 games off.

 

[sxvnert]

My only complaint with Keefe is that our D pairings very clearly have been struggling since Muzzin broke his face. He has struggled to move the puck and Holl has looked slow and awkward when on his heels constantly chasing. His confidence has diminished since his partner cant move the puck well anymore (Most likely playing with a bubble has impacted this...)

Why not switch up the pairings and get another look?

Rielly Bogosian
Muzzin Brodie
Dermott Holl

Give us some more balance in the line up and promote BOGO who has been arguably our best d man recently. Atleast he is most consistent. Also, Brodie can then help muzz with the zone exits and shelter him while he is hurt.

Hes terrified of having Rielly playing with anyone other than Brodie.

Wouldn't be an issue if Dermott was capable of playing in all situations. They need a legit #5D to replace him.

 

[The Beyonder]

I feel like Keefe is now reaching a Babcock level stubbornness with playing Matthews and Marner together. When it's not working he shouldn't be reluctant to take apart those guys.

They do have tunnel vision sometimes when they (matthews and marner) are on the ice together. It's like they have blinders on, they don't see or look for anybody but each other.

 

[cookie]

This Muzzin face issue could have been handled so differently

Try Dermott - Holl to rekindle the Marlies chemistry, maybe putting Dermott in a more prominent role on the PK
Or calling up one of Kivihalme or Rosen to take some of Rielly's offensive zone minutes and simultaneously demanding that he focus a bit more on the quality of his pinches and being better in his own end (something he had been struggling with)
(Or even calling up Marincin to get him working the PK and freeing those minutes/wear-and-tear)

There is little reason to play a guy that isn't at a 100% during the doldrums of the 2020-2021 season, especially when you have a sizeable lead in the division and when this player is instrumental to the team's upcoming success in the playoffs. Sit Matthews too since dirty players will target his wrists.

 

[Stephen]

I feel like Keefe is now reaching a Babcock level stubbornness with playing Matthews and Marner together. When it's not working he shouldn't be reluctant to take apart those guys.

They do have tunnel vision sometimes when they (matthews and marner) are on the ice together. It's like they have blinders on, they don't see or look for anybody but each other.

It's interesting how coaches seem to become increasingly stubborn with their favorite ideas over time and it's always the first line and bottom defensive pairings that seem to be the big points of contention.

 

[zeke]

 

[zeke]

So Keefe just completed his first full 82 game season.



Keefe's First 82gms:


Record:

106 points
64.6 points percentage (#7)

0 shootout points
59.8 regulation/overtime win percentage (#4)

Offense:

3.39 goals for /60 (#2)
2.94 expected goals for/60 (#2)

Defense:

2.83 goals against /60 (#14)
90.5 save percentage (#19)
2.47 expected goals against/60 (#8)

Overall:

54.6 goals for percentage (#5)
54.4 expected goals for percentage (#3)



5v5 Offense:

2.76 goals for/60 (#6)
2.53 expected goals for (#2)

5v5 Defense:

2.40 goals against/60 (#17)
91.7 save percentage (#22)
2.17 expected goals against (#13)

5v5 Overall

53.4 goals for percentage (#8)
53.9 expected goals for percentage (#5)



Power Play:

9.63 goals for/60 (#3)
7.16 expected goals for/60 (#6)

Penalty Kill:

7.33 goals against/60 (#17)
5.49 expected goals against/60 (#2)
84.1 save percentage (#25)

 

[ShaneFalco]

So Keefe just completed his first full 82 game season.



Keefe's First 82gms:


Record:

106 points
64.6 points percentage (#7)

0 shootout points
59.8 regulation/overtime win percentage (#4)

Offense:

3.39 goals for /60 (#2)
2.94 expected goals for/60 (#2)

Defense:

2.83 goals against /60 (#14)
90.5 save percentage (#19)
2.47 expected goals against/60 (#8)

Overall:

54.6 goals for percentage (#5)
54.4 expected goals for percentage (#3)

5v5 Offense:

2.76 goals for/60 (#6)
2.53 expected goals for (#2)

5v5 Defense:

2.40 goals against/60 (#17)
91.7 save percentage (#22)
2.17 expected goals against (#13)

Power Play:

9.63 goals for/60 (#3)
7.16 expected goals for/60 (#6)

Penalty Kill:

7.33 goals against/60 (#17)
5.49 expected goals against/60 (#2)
84.1 save percentage (#25)

Fricken rookie coach

 

[Pookie]

considering we play 6 other teams all season... finishing in the top 4 is an expectation.

anything short of that should result in a firing.

 

[Jojalu]

considering we play 6 other teams all season... finishing in the top 4 is an expectation.

anything short of that should result in a firing.

Probably.

If Calgary or Vancouver runs the table at 19-0 the rest of the way, the Leafs would have to go 13-8.

No chance for 19-0 and 13-8 is probably a good bet.

Epic collapse if it happened

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So Keefe just completed his first full 82 game season.



Keefe's First 82gms:


Record:

106 points
64.6 points percentage (#7)

0 shootout points
59.8 regulation/overtime win percentage (#4)

Offense:

3.39 goals for /60 (#2)
2.94 expected goals for/60 (#2)

Defense:

2.83 goals against /60 (#14)
90.5 save percentage (#19)
2.47 expected goals against/60 (#8)

Overall:

54.6 goals for percentage (#5)
54.4 expected goals for percentage (#3)



5v5 Offense:

2.76 goals for/60 (#6)
2.53 expected goals for (#2)

5v5 Defense:

2.40 goals against/60 (#17)
91.7 save percentage (#22)
2.17 expected goals against (#13)

5v5 Overall

53.4 goals for percentage (#8)
53.9 expected goals for percentage (#5)



Power Play:

9.63 goals for/60 (#3)
7.16 expected goals for/60 (#6)

Penalty Kill:

7.33 goals against/60 (#17)
5.49 expected goals against/60 (#2)
84.1 save percentage (#25)

So pretty much bottom bin goaltending and a top 5-10 team everywhere else... And the man has had to weather some serious injuries in there too.