Sheldon Keefe Discussion

Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by LEAFANFORLIFE23, Dec 29, 2020.

  1. LEAFANFORLIFE23 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2010
    Messages:
    32,672
    Likes Received:
    6,010
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    The Kyle Dubas discussion got me thinking, Kyle's job probably isn't the most secure, and if there is no progress made this year he might be gone.

    If the Leafs don't make progress this year and Kyle is gone how long a leash does Keefe have?

    If The Leafs don't make progress this year and Kyle is fired a new GM may want a new coach.

    Fair or not I'm not sure how secure Keefe's job is, because I'm not sure how secure Dubas job is.

    and to be clear progress means ONE thing, you can't lose in round 1 again and to be safe you better win round 2
     
  2. JT AM da real deal Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2018
    Messages:
    8,220
    Likes Received:
    3,897
    Trophy Points:
    101
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Dubie/Shanny likely both gone if this season is a failure ... it is far bigger than Dubie ... it means da plan did not work
     
  3. Throw More Waffles Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    10,802
    Likes Received:
    6,547
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    The lesson to be learned from all this would be "Don't get rookie management that admittedly 'learn as they go'" on a team that is clearly no longer rebuilding.

    After the "new coach high" wore off, the leafs were only slightly better under Keefe than with Babcock. And given that they had "given up" on Babcock... that should alarm everyone.

    January to end of season, leafs had 14 wins in 29 games.
     
    Cobra777 and JT AM da real deal like this.
  4. LeafsNation75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    36,525
    Likes Received:
    10,688
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    It's not like the Leafs had any playoff success with Mike Babcock despite all the experience he previously had, since they lost in the first round with him 2017, 2018, and 2019.

    As for rookie management meaning Kyle Dubas, when Lou Lamoriello was the Leafs GM he was in Toronto when they were eliminated in 2017 and 2018.

    Even if Dubas was not named the GM the other choice was going to be Mark Hunter who also had no previous experience as an NHL GM.
     
    JT AM da real deal likes this.
  5. Throw More Waffles Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    10,802
    Likes Received:
    6,547
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    You're comparing a coach/gm brought in to rebuild the team "there will be pain", to a gm/coach that took the rebuilt team that was supposed to be elite.
     
  6. LeafsNation75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    36,525
    Likes Received:
    10,688
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    I'm saying when the Leafs made the playoffs with the experienced coach and gm there wasn't any success in the playoffs. Even in 2019 with Babcock still there the Leafs blew a 3-2 series lead against Boston during Game 6. In that game despite knowing Zach Hyamn was playing with a torn ACL he puts him on the draw during a penalty kill and right after losing the faceoff Boston scores to tie that game 1-1.
     
  7. Throw More Waffles Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    10,802
    Likes Received:
    6,547
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Yes, when the core players were teenagers, they didn't have much success in the playoffs.
     
  8. LeafsNation75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    36,525
    Likes Received:
    10,688
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    2019 Was Toronto's third straight year making the playoffs and the first time they had a chance to win a series when up 3-2 going into Game 6 on home ice. Don't give me this crap about them being teenagers which I don't think they were anymore, since they had lost in six games in 2017 and seven games in 2018.
     
    Cobra777 and Menzinger like this.
  9. Wafflewhipper Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,354
    Likes Received:
    5,043
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    No it shouldn’t. Rielly and Muzzin were both out for your comparison forbthe most part.
     
    LeafsNation75 likes this.
  10. The Iceman Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2007
    Messages:
    3,304
    Likes Received:
    1,507
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    If you buy into the process what Dubas has done should work in putting a contending team on the ice.

    If the results aren't there it may be circumstantial. Injuries, puck luck.

    Dubas is doing a great job filling the pipeline and acquiring players. Why do people want a new GM, Dubas has adjusted and worked through initial growing pains.
    Sit back and enjoy the Dubas show for 10 years folks :)
     
    Advanced stats likes this.
  11. Buds17 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2015
    Messages:
    5,142
    Likes Received:
    1,196
    Trophy Points:
    109
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    We're obviously looking at a regular season that will be different - and from the get go - from what we've grown accustomed to. That said, lack of progress shouldn't just be swept under the rug. I'd hope this isn't something that requires revisiting at the conclusion of the season. If that were to be the case, I'd guess Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe feel the heat in descending order. That's not to say firings would be automatic. However, it might be fair to say that a significant change to the roster would then be the alternative. If so, should that be the responsibility of familiar or new faces in charge?
     
  12. LeafsNation75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    36,525
    Likes Received:
    10,688
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    Even before Rielly started missing games he was already playing hurt with a different injury and not at 100%.
     
  13. LEAFANFORLIFE23 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2010
    Messages:
    32,672
    Likes Received:
    6,010
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Dubas has adjusted and I'm on board with nearly everything he did, except keeping the 15th pick, I wanted that moved for immediate help but he landed Brodie anyway so that's fine.

    That said if these adjustments don't work it's not crazy to think he might be gone
     
  14. JT AM da real deal Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2018
    Messages:
    8,220
    Likes Received:
    3,897
    Trophy Points:
    101
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeah it starts with Shanny as he gets Cliff's old advisor job to advise da new GUY then new guy picks his OWN guys
     
  15. Korg My name is Korg; I'm made of rocks.

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2014
    Messages:
    12,954
    Likes Received:
    12,820
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Shanahan is #1 on the chopping block. Six years so far without a playoff series win and he's on his 2nd GM. If the new president wants to fire Dubas, I'd like to retain him as director of amateur scouting, where he seems to be qualified. Not sure which way the wind would blow with Keefe, it would be up to the new GM to evaluate him.
     
    ToneDog likes this.
  16. Throw More Waffles Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    10,802
    Likes Received:
    6,547
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    And Babcock was fired for it. 2 years later, rookie coach, same results. Similar lame excuses.

    Mao fully agreed. If Babcock and Lou deserved firing for lack of playoff success with that VERY young team, then Dubas and Keefe deserve a firing even more so with anything less than a solid playoff series win this year.
     
  17. Throw More Waffles Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    10,802
    Likes Received:
    6,547
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Injuries are a major part of hockey. Good teams acknowledge that. Mediocre team use it as a lame excuse. The cup champs just won the cup without their captain and number one Center.
     
  18. LeafsNation75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    36,525
    Likes Received:
    10,688
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    Sheldon Keefe has not yet coached a full season, even though the Leafs had a record of 27-15-5 since he took over.
     
  19. stickty111 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2017
    Messages:
    19,369
    Likes Received:
    18,858
    Trophy Points:
    161
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Keefe is safe this season. He progressed im the regular season more then Babcock ever did here, and Leafs played better in the playoffs as well.
     
    LeafsNation75 likes this.
  20. TheBigFour Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2019
    Messages:
    232
    Likes Received:
    250
    Trophy Points:
    49
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    only way dubas or keefe get fired is if leafs miss the playoffs. Shanny is here for the long term, regardless what happens this year.
    if babcock gets at least three years to make out of the first round, keefe should atleast get two years IMO.
     
  21. Wafflewhipper Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,354
    Likes Received:
    5,043
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Yeah very hindered what ever it was. It slowed him down terribly. Remember we were all wondering on here if there is something wrong with him. There was.
     
    LeafsNation75 likes this.
  22. LeafsNation75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    36,525
    Likes Received:
    10,688
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    I would give Keefe until after the 2021-22 season before making a decision like that. This season he will only coach 56 regular season games, so he deserves the chance to coach 82 games once everything goes back to normal.
     
  23. Wafflewhipper Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,354
    Likes Received:
    5,043
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Everyone one is healthy now for the most part. Who’s the best team in Canada about to be answered :). I want the bragging rights. I don’t care if its a shootout win difference. This team has to want it as much as fans do. I think they will be best in the country.…. The injuries we had are no excuse, they hurt us to a degree that other teams didn’t live.
    Injuries are only looked at as a minimized thing on this board. They are real.
     
    LeafsNation75 likes this.
  24. Wafflewhipper Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,354
    Likes Received:
    5,043
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Who will be the conscience defensively for the team is what matters. Someone needs to lay it out that defense is most important, then our counterpunching will win the games. Full out defense first. Bogosian,Simmonds,Thornton and Tavares,Spezza,Muzzy and Freddy is enough leadership. The young guys are insulated with enough veteran leadership now. I hope it works out good. Not saying the others don’t lead but there will be much more presence in the locker room now. Enough to put the fun back in the room in place of pressure. The coach will give them lots of pressure. The veterans will even keele the room
     
    LeafsNation75 likes this.
  25. LeafsNation75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    36,525
    Likes Received:
    10,688
    Trophy Points:
    186
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    At least with the signing of Joe Thornton he wants to win, where as when Patrick Marleau was in Toronto he seemed more concerned with his consecutive games played streak.
     
    MattySnipes and The Iceman like this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"