In a clear sarcastic tone. Didn't you just say how this is a discussion board...so you want to play this sarcastic game or actually share your thoughts?I said the opposite.
In a clear sarcastic tone. Didn't you just say how this is a discussion board...so you want to play this sarcastic game or actually share your thoughts?I said the opposite.
In a clear sarcastic tone. Didn't you just say how this is a discussion board...so you want to play this sarcastic game or actually share your thoughts?
How about we see how the Habs fare off versus stronger competition than tanking teams.Obviously, the team is better with Weber in the lineup. Canadiens are allowing less shots per game and shooting a lot more. The 2 loses, especially the one against Hurricanes was due to a goalie playing over his head and 2-3 posts.
If the Canadiens can stay healthy, playoffs is possible without a doubt.
How about we see how the Habs fare off versus stronger competition than tanking teams.
Of course we are better with Weber, that wasn't the discussion point. I was referring to our defense actually now being “pretty good”.
I dont think we are.
MON has won against better opposition earlier in the year, but, as always with them, it only counts the next time that they face better opposition.
There's always an excuse for them doing well until we can point irrefutably to them sucking again.
I guess 'they suck' would always be the right answer.
Sens have the worst defense in the league by far. It would be unusual to NOT score more that 4 against them.It's not an excuse, it's a fact. But I guess some facts are just annoying to hear. They also won versus good teams earlier, yes, that's another fact, one that was never denied.
But I was responding to our record with Weber back and the claims of how our defense is now ''pretty good'' because we just best the Sens back to back.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. But I guess some facts are just annoying to hear. They also won versus good teams earlier, yes, that's another fact, one that was never denied.
But I was responding to our record with Weber back and the claims of how our defense is now ''pretty good'' because we just best the Sens back to back.
Having seen 6 Habs cups old while enough to understand them, I somehow doubt I'll be doing cartwheels after a round 2 loss and an 18th overall pick by Timmins. Might want to raise the bar a bit there baseball coach.The chances of getting Lafreniere and him turning out to be a generational difference making player are less than 5%. Maybe 10-12% if we limit our hope to 1st line winger.
Not a good gamble at all.
Please don't say that "nothing else has worked". That's like counselling a young person to quit their job and put their faith in a Vegas trip to get rich, because "working for a living hasn't got you rich yet".
If they lose in the first round respectably and not embarassingly, it will be a good year considering where we came from the last three years.
If we lose in the second round, Habs fans should do cartwheels.
Having seen 6 Habs cups old while enough to understand them, I somehow doubt I'll be doing cartwheels after a round 2 loss and an 18th overall pick by Timmins. Might want to raise the bar a bit there baseball coach.
Its funny how you are always looking at the best possible outcome when speaking of making the POs but when commenting on getting a top end talent via tank, you have opposite attitude.The difference in draft calibre between an 18th overall pick and an 8th overall pick is not enough to have me do cartwheels if we have another collapsed season where the players we added this year turn out to be duds.
A second round loss is a great result if the team is trending upward. Given that Kotkaniemi is likely to get a LOT better, and we have the equivalent of THREE first rounders joining the pros next year (unless we luck out and get a fourth because the 2019 pick makes the team out of camp, not likely), and given that we are one of the younger teams in the league, why would we think that regression is more likely than progression?
I agree with you here. Top-5 is, by far, the best bet for finding elite talent. Problem is the Habs aren't going to pick top-5. The team isn't built for it anymore than it's built to be a contender. Both extremes -- contender and lottery pick -- simply don't match the roster. The only way to enter top-6 to 10 territory is to trade up for a pick. Top-5 is all but impossible, because I doubt any team is giving up that pick, no matter what.Its funny how you are always looking at the best possible outcome when speaking of making the POs but when commenting on getting a top end talent via tank, you have opposite attitude.
The difference in talent between a top 5 vs late-mid can be huge.
long live mediocrity!I agree with you here. Top-5 is, by far, the best bet for finding elite talent. Problem is the Habs aren't going to pick top-5. The team isn't built for it anymore than it's built to be a contender. Both extremes -- contender and lottery pick -- simply don't match the roster. The only way to enter top-6 to 10 territory is to trade up for a pick. Top-5 is all but impossible, because I doubt any team is giving up that pick, no matter what.
Yes, and that is exactly where we dont want to be. The perpetual state of good but not good enough.I agree with you here. Top-5 is, by far, the best bet for finding elite talent. Problem is the Habs aren't going to pick top-5. The team isn't built for it anymore than it's built to be a contender. Both extremes -- contender and lottery pick -- simply don't match the roster. The only way to enter top-6 to 10 territory is to trade up for a pick. Top-5 is all but impossible, because I doubt any team is giving up that pick, no matter what.
Its funny how you are always looking at the best possible outcome when speaking of making the POs but when commenting on getting a top end talent via tank, you have opposite attitude.
The difference in talent between a top 5 vs late-mid can be huge.
long live mediocrity!
Why do you say that? If our very young squad makes the playoffs and wins a round this year, it means they are not mediocre!! They're young, have a franchise C in development and the equivalent of 3 first rounders turning pro next year (and possibly 4).
Having seen 6 Habs cups old while enough to understand them, I somehow doubt I'll be doing cartwheels after a round 2 loss and an 18th overall pick by Timmins. Might want to raise the bar a bit there baseball coach.
Half the teams in the league make the playoffs, it's not an incredible achievement to strive for.
The genuine goal should be to build a long-term and credible contender, and that requires elite talent.
Yes, either elite talent, or a ton of near-elite talent, not just one 60 point guy. AGREED.
Now, suppose you, DAChamp, are the GM. You just beat either Tampa Bay, Toronto or the Capitals in the playoffs starting on the road for the first two games. You have Kotkaniemi, a developing elite player. You have two long-time elite players who are still playing near-elite in Price and Weber. You have a 23 year old 2C who put up 70+points. You have THREE first-round or equivalent picks joining the pros next year, maybe 4. You also have $10M in cap space and all the flexibility that can provide.
I have absolute confidence in you to improve the team further and get to the final four or the Cup final within 1-2 more years.
I know that sounds like a concrete and definite requirement for you but for me it's a vague and indeterminate statement.Half the teams in the league make the playoffs, it's not an incredible achievement to strive for.
The genuine goal should be to build a long-term and credible contender, and that requires elite talent.
On the one hand, let us acknowledge that this is a good base.
On the other hand:
1) You're overrating Price.
2) Kotkaniemi is not a sure thing to become elite. It's not clear of he'll end up a 65-point or 80-point centre.
3) Poehling, Suzuki, and Brook will unfortunately not be left to dominate the AHL next year. They are likely to be rushed as Bergevin likes rushing prospects.
4) Cap space is great. There are three great options next year: Duchene, Karlsson, and Panarin. Though, they won't try and get Panarin as he is Russian, and that's too bad.
5) They're likely losing one of Weber, Petry, Juulsen, Mete to expansion in a year.
6) Beating Toronto in the first round is a best case scenario.
7) Adding Jack Hughes would improve the roster.
Here's a plausible alternative:
Trade Petry for viable futures rather than lose him in the expansion, finish just out of the playoffs and get a respectable top-15 pick, sign one of Karlsson, Panarin, or Duchene with all that cap space, and let Brook, Poehling, and Suzuki start next season in Laval. Begin competing in 2021.
I hope that's not a serious question...I know that sounds like a concrete and definite requirement for you but for me it's a vague and indeterminate statement.
1) what do you mean by elite talent?
2) how many elite talents would it require? One, two, three, seven, fifteen?
You'll find most NHL teams have elite talent. Buffalo has Dahlin, Skinner and Eichel, LA has Quick and Kopitar, Chicago has Toews and Kane, Oilers have McDavid & Draisaitl, Pittsburgh has Crosby, Kessel and Malkin. Are they contenders?
Once you answer those questions go over the roster of the last 10 Cup winning teams and point out to me the elite talent on those teams. You'll find most of them don't have more than two or three elite talents. Four tops.
Maybe it's not just a question of elite talents? Maybe it's also where those talents are in their career arcs. Maybe it's also the quality of the surrounding cast of players. Maybe it's peaking at the right time, the right coaching.
Right now the Habs have Weber and Price as elite talents. If Domi and Drouin continue to play as they have we could consider them as elite. That's four. I don't think they've shown to be contenders. But it's not because of a lack of elite talents. It's because Schlemko, Rielly, DesLauriers and Hudon have too many bad nights. It's because Mete, Kotkaniemi and Juulsen have not reached their peak yet. The Habs are not contenders because the second and third tier players on the team are playing like 2nd and 3rd tier players and have not raised their level of play.
Poehling, Suzuki, and Brook will unfortunately not be left to dominate the AHL next year. They are likely to be rushed as Bergevin likes rushing prospects.
I hope that's not a serious question...
Toews, Kane, Malkin and Crosby have 3 cup rings each, Kessel, Kopitar and Quick have 2.