Player Discussion Shea Weber - [mod warning post #26)]
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mariolemieux66
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Hard to say. I really like both players for what they bring.
Subban brought excitement and he was really strong along the boards. He wants it more, wants to be that go to guy. Shows up in big games. Sometimes he tries to make things happen and leads to turnover because our team cannot produce offensively. Its just a guy who desire to win.
Weber is superior defensive zone. He's a champ and I would want him in closing minutes. His shot is unstoppable and deadly. He's an elite player. He's classy player.
Bottom line if same age, I would lead toward Weber. But he's older so kinda evens out.
Kinda reminds me of Al McInnis for Phil Housley trade. Two different kind of defensemen.
Subban brought excitement and he was really strong along the boards. He wants it more, wants to be that go to guy. Shows up in big games. Sometimes he tries to make things happen and leads to turnover because our team cannot produce offensively. Its just a guy who desire to win.
Weber is superior defensive zone. He's a champ and I would want him in closing minutes. His shot is unstoppable and deadly. He's an elite player. He's classy player.
Bottom line if same age, I would lead toward Weber. But he's older so kinda evens out.
Kinda reminds me of Al McInnis for Phil Housley trade. Two different kind of defensemen.
waffledave
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Weber acts like he doesn't really care to be here. It's just a job for him. He doesn't love the city, he doesn't love the jersey.
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How do I change that
Is there a player on this current roster that you would say this wouldn't be true for?
Price?
Pacioretty?
Petry?
Galchenyuk?
Maybe Gallagher but he's just a hard worker.
LaP
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I'm not losing m time with this anymore. A reputation in this league takes at least 3 years to be defeated. In his prime he used to be a force. Not as great as his reputation but still very good. But he's not there anymore. He's not good enough anymore to build a team around him. Ideally he should be a number 1A or 1B but not a clear number 1.
I think Weber is brilliant, why waste energy on a lost war.. He'll be there when it counts.
He's still good, and I don't see a sharp decline like some predicted. I think he'll be a very useful guy for us for the next 5-7 years. He'll never be the guy to build around, but I don't see why he couldn't play top pairing well into his late 30's like Markov did.
mariolemieux66
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Where was Weber in the playoffs last year when it counted?
Where is Weber now with a 1-5 record? Where is the passion, the intensity, the character, the veteran leadership?
Nha, doesn't work that way, make him captn and let's argue.. For the moment, he's Weber, I respect that. Refer to that other post I posted.. Does not mean i'm right though mate.. My opinion.
BS, a true leader does not need a letter on his shirt to lead.
OldCraig71
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I don't blame Weber, I blame Bergevin, the guy was not what we needed and Bergevin got him just because "when you get Shea Weber you don't ask for more".
Hank Scorpio
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He'll be useful, just not as useful as the guy he was traded for. Forget 5 years, I don't think he's as useful right now. I'd still take him on my team any day of the week just not as the centerpiece of my Dcore. If the Habs are headed for a rebuild, I think he's perfect but I don't believe he should be the guy you build around if you're trying to compete. That's why he's paired with Mete and Petry/Alzner are the shut down pair despite him having the reputation as one of the best shutdown players in the league. He's a mentor and a leader, he shouldn't be a #1 D. Montreal just happened to trade a #1 D to get him.
He'll be useful, just not as useful as the guy he was traded for. Forget 5 years, I don't think he's as useful right now. I'd still take him on my team any day of the week just not as the centerpiece of my Dcore. If the Habs are headed for a rebuild, I think he's perfect but I don't believe he should be the guy you build around if you're trying to compete. That's why he's paired with Mete and Petry/Alzner are the shut down pair despite him having the reputation as one of the best shutdown players in the league. He's a mentor and a leader, he shouldn't be a #1 D. Montreal just happened to trade a #1 D to get him.
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JunglePete
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Bit worrying that Weber hasn't been on the ice for a Habs 5on5 goal so far this season, no?
Even before the trade with Markov still a Hab the team was overly reliant on Subban to drive the even-strength offense. With those two gone Petry seems to be the onlyguy defenceman who can do it at evens.
Even before the trade with Markov still a Hab the team was overly reliant on Subban to drive the even-strength offense. With those two gone Petry seems to be the only
Apoplectic Habs Fan
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Its almost like his forcefield, grimacing stare and leadership oozing presence were all just a myth. Shocking
CristianoRonaldo
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Is it me or does he take more risks this year? Same thing with Benn. I see them pinch when it's not necessarily the right time (mostly Benn, but Weber too) and they don't have the speed to come back in time. Mete has been great at covering up for Weber though. Not sure if it's Julien who asks every D to be more aggressive, or if they're just trying to do too much since the Habs can't score.
Anyways, Weber doesn't deserve much criticism, the blame should go to MB.
Anyways, Weber doesn't deserve much criticism, the blame should go to MB.
Ask Price and Pacioretty the same question.
Weber has 3pts last playoff, he can’t win on his own
Patccmoi
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Because the team is starved for offense, and players will try to do more for it.
Why do you think Subban was "taking so much risk" the last year he played here? Absolutely nothing happened offensively if he didn't. He was on the ice for something like 65% of the goals we scored. And "oh, he calmed down and plays safer and understood things" in Nashville... or the team can actually manage some offense without him taking risks all the time?
He was blamed for taking risks, when the rest of the team didn't. They played it safe, and generated absolutely nothing, and we sunk in the rankings. But hey, let's not have someone actually trying to shake things up cause it was going so well following the plan.
And now Weber is in the same situation, and he has to take risks too. But at least he has Mete (damn are we lucky, imagine if we DIDN'T have him graduating as a 19 y.o. on top) to cover.
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Weber would have been the right choice back in the height of the DPE
He was the wrong choice and a signal to everybody that the Habs were living in the past.
He was the wrong choice and a signal to everybody that the Habs were living in the past.
Le Tricolore
Boo! BOOOO!
He's been our best defenseman this season.
Do you want him to get out of position to hit people? Drop the gloves to fight for no reason? I'm not sure what you're asking of him but it seems unrealistic to say the least.
Le Tricolore
Boo! BOOOO!
A reminder that this is NOT the place to talk about PK Subban, or any other players other than Shea Weber. Use the out of town thread / former players thread for that.
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