Shea Weber is no longer a top pairing D.

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I wouldn't say a declining 35 year old defenceman, signed to 8+m/yr until 2026 is the least of their problems right now. I would say you would expect that player to perform better.

I said "right now". Right now they have a weak forward group with no depth to replace the couple very good players they have if an injury occurs. They can't play Vancouver all the time.
 

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Obviously Weber isn't playing great but he needs a different partner. Chiarot is not the answer.
 

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It ended up being a... complex trade. As a Preds fan, I would not use my time machine to undo any of it. Weber was not playing well for us, and Subban was initially a lot better... for 2 seasons. Our best 2 seasons ever. Then Subban imploded, but luckily we still got value in dumping him. And Weber is a better player even today. It's... complex. Bizarre even. Probably nobody will really win or lose on that. Both teams got something. Maybe not as much as they wished for. But enough.
I actually have both teams losing this deal.
Hard to call either side a winner when it didn't really work out the way either had hoped.
 

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As fun as it is to watch Habs fans panic Weber is still pretty much at a 40 point pace with 9 or 10 goals over a full season. Still looks offensively serviceable.

Is he an elite #1 D any more? Probably not.

Is he still a legit top 4 D? Probably.

Could this weird season and heavy schedule be messing him up? Entirely possible.

They are stuck with him and should just be grateful Petry emerged in time to cover the change. You could do worse than having Weber anchoring your 2nd unit.

Habs fans just need to temper expectations a little, he still has something to give and they will need him come playoff time.

By all means though, feel free to continue the panic :P
 
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Shea just has so much mileage already.

Trading for him was a 'win now' move on the part of Bergevin. Now years later it's looking like a bad trade, even though PK has fallen off a cliff.
The trade itself isn't bad in a vacuum. However, the direction was. It should've been the moment to implode and rebuild. Trading Subban for future assets would ve been better, but Molson wants nothing to do with rebuilds
 

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Fair enough. But if Weber retires before 2026 the Preds' salary cap will be absolutely screwed. Making it a really bad deal for Nashville

It's slightly easier to deal with now that the rules changed and the penalty cannot exceed the cap hit of the contract in any single year. So if Weber retired in the final year of the deal, instead of a $24M recapture penalty, they would face a 4 year penalty. The question is if it would be $6M for 4 years, or $7.8M for 3 years and then the leftover change in the 4th year.

Heck, with Johansen and Duchene, we already have $16M in cap penalties as it is :sarcasm:
 
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Weber was a beast in the playoffs last season, which is part of how a 24 seed was able to easily bounce Crosby's Penguins.

I find it hard to believe Weber is now washed up a few Months later.
 

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I actually have both teams losing this deal.
Hard to call either side a winner when it didn't really work out the way either had hoped.

It worked out exactly how Bergevin wanted. He got rid of Subban. He has a guy people make 1000 excuses for. Shea is never good enough and always gets a free pass. Perfect for Marc.
 
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Ya, Preds were so stacked in 2017 transcendental super star Viktor Arvidsson led the team in RS scoring, and when Johansen got injured in the playoffs they had to rely on Colton Sissons and Freddy Gaudreau as a 1–2 centre forward punch.

That's a whole different level of stacked.

When that roster was healthy it was full of two way forwards that worked hard and suffocated opposition teams. To attempt to credit that on soup can when he was never defensively strong is laughable.

And then you're missing the most important point that Nashville dumped his contract for scraps which clearly happened for a reason.
 

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A contract isn't only about price but also term.

You might want to look at when Weber's ends.
There are known and proven mechanics in the NHL to bury such contracts without affecting the teams ability to spend if they want to
 

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There are known and proven mechanics in the NHL to bury such contracts without affecting the teams ability to spend if they want to

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Okay bud. Please inform me of how you would have done that from your arm chair GM position in Weber's case without him saying f*** it and retiring which would come with even heavier penalties?
 

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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Okay bud. Please inform me of how you would have done that from your arm chair GM position in Weber's case without him saying f*** it and retiring which would come with even heavier penalties?
Again, while it would suck getting that cap hit, the recapture penalties are far less now, not crippling in any way.
 

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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Okay bud. Please inform me of how you would have done that from your arm chair GM position in Weber's case without him saying f*** it and retiring which would come with even heavier penalties?
Where did I say, I would have anything to do with that!?!?
You seem very frustrated, take a walk
 

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Do fans of other teams come to the main boards to bitch about their players too?

Let me tell you a story about a man named Tyson Barrie and fans from Toronto, Edmonton, and wherever he signs next.

I’d be more than happy to have Weber on my team’s playoff roster FWIW.
 

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There still hasn't been an explanation how you would bury such a contract.

I'm waiting.
I don't think you can bury the contract, but the cap hit is now maxed out at 7.8M, that's not crippling, it hurts but it's not crippling.

I doubt Shea Weber retires though without an injury. Why would he give up money if he could still play? He's not the type, or doesn't seem to be. If he's injured he goes on LTIR.....
 

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