Shea Weber is a shell of his former self.

[jetsforever]

So is Larsson currently the best player out of those crazy trades?

Hall
Larsson
Weber
Subban

It's like amazingly all of those blockbusters turned out to be lose-loses

 

[Magic Mittens]

Would be more thread worthy if Weber was still the same player he was when he was in his twenties

of course he’s not as dominant now

 

[HuGo Sham]

He's still good. Not his fault Montreal leans on him so hard

this is the correct answer.
Bergevin transferred his stupid stubbornness for quality backup goalies - to a PMD LD that could insulate him.
he shouldn't be playing more than 18 mins a night on a 2nd pair shutdown role

 

[HugeInTheShire]

It's like amazingly all of those blockbusters turned out to be lose-loses

I think most of these teams would be satisfied with the player they received or package they were inevitably traded for

 

[golgoXIII]

Mountain as in immovable lump of mass that’s fairly easy to go around?

loll

 

[Lolonegoal]

this is the correct answer.
Bergevin transferred his stupid stubbornness for quality backup goalies - to a PMD LD that could insulate him.
he shouldn't be playing more than 18 mins a night on a 2nd pair shutdown role

Have you seen Montreal's back up history between Halak and Allen?

Kinklaid 4.24 GAA, 87.5 SV%
Lindgren 3.33 GAA, 88.8 SV%
Niemi 3.78 GAA, 88.7 SV%
Lindgren 3.03 GAA, 90.8 SV%
Montoya 3.77 GAA, 86.3 SV%
Montoya 2.67 GAA, 91.2%
Condon 2.71 GAA, 90.3%
Scrivens 3.07, 90.6%
Tokarski 3.18, 87.8%

If you put literally any average goalie in place of these guys Montreal improves their record enough to make the playoffs in multiple seasons. (this isn't just jumping to conclusions either, you can actually go and plug 'average goalie stats' in place of one these guys, and change MTLs record and this will happen). Getting Allen was a great move, and he's bait for Seattle.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Have you seen Montreal's back up history between Halak and Allen?

Kinklaid 4.24 GAA, 87.5 SV%
Lindgren 3.33 GAA, 88.8 SV%
Niemi 3.78 GAA, 88.7 SV%
Lindgren 3.03 GAA, 90.8 SV%
Montoya 3.77 GAA, 86.3 SV%
Montoya 2.67 GAA, 91.2%
Condon 2.71 GAA, 90.3%
Scrivens 3.07, 90.6%
Tokarski 3.18, 87.8%

If you put literally any average goalie in place of these guys Montreal improves their record enough to make the playoffs in multiple seasons. Getting Allen was a great move, and he's bait for Seattle.

that's what I wrote. he went from being an idiot about backups (until he got Allen) to being an idiot with dmen

 

[MessierII]

So is Larsson currently the best player out of those crazy trades?

Hall
Larsson
Weber
Subban

Currently he might be. Weber is still pretty good but obviously not what he was.

 

[David Suzuki]

He's still good. Not his fault Montreal leans on him so hard

He also hasn't had anything close to a good partner since Markov left. He isn't a great player anymore but there's no reason, with a good partner, he can't be a 20 minute a night guy

 

[Armourboy]

It's like amazingly all of those blockbusters turned out to be lose-loses

Wouldn't consider it a loss for the Preds. We got a cup run and a President's Trophy out of it and the back side of it we are basically still waiting to see how all that pans out.

Yeah he wasn't here long before we moved on, but that doesn't make it a loss imo.

 

[Kupo]

What happened? He seemed to be a beast as recently as last season and playoffs.

35 year old veteran with over 1,000 games played, averaging 20+ min a night against opposing teams top-6.

What do you mean, What Happened...!?

 

[Dicky113]

same can be said for everyone from that 2003 draft class. Except for Fleury I guess. That shit was a long time ago.

Bergeron still dominant

 

[Number 57]

this is the correct answer.
Bergevin transferred his stupid stubbornness for quality backup goalies - to a PMD LD that could insulate him.
he shouldn't be playing more than 18 mins a night on a 2nd pair shutdown role

I agree he should have reduced minutes and he should be fine. Hopefully that's his role starting next year

We already have a guy that can take some of his minutes; Romanov. So even if Bergevin does nothing in terms of player movement it should be doable

Kulak (18 mins) - Petry (25 mins)
Edmundson (18 mins) - Romanov (22 mins)
Chiarot or Mete (18 mins) - Weber (18 mins)

Leskinen and Fleury should also be NHL-ready for next season

But honestly it feels like Bergevin should acquire a puck-moving top-4 D

 

[PaulD]

Forget top pairing. If he was a no-name AHLer playing the same way he's playing now, I don't think he'd even get a regular roster spot on most teams.

Sounds like an even up trade for Subban.

 

[Holymakinaw]

At 35, Weber is really struggling right now. He's having a really hard time playing the minutes he is playing and is not an NHL top pairing D anymore.

Well, at least his contract is almost up.

What's that?

Really?

Oooh. Ugh. Okay.

 

[StreetHawk]

Well, at least his contract is almost up.

What's that?

Really?

Oooh. Ugh. Okay.

Montreal can get off that contract since Weber does not hold a NMC or have any trade protection. I doubt Weber would report to the A if Montreal assigned him to Laval. He would have made over $120 million in salary at the end of the 21-22 season. If he does not report, then Montreal can move to have his contract terminated, ala Kovalchuck with NJ.

Works for Weber since if he wants to continue to play, he can make the same salary but his cap charge to another team will be equal to his salary.

It's Nashville that would take the hit, ala the Canucks with Luongo right now, if Weber doesn't fulfill his contract either by playing it out or ending up on LTIR.

 

[c3z4r]

I hope to God he's playing injured this season, because he's been more and more brutal as the season has advanced. Worst part is that he's not even physically imposing anymore.

He was never the fastest, but you'd at least see him bully guys in corners or in front/back of the net but it's like he's lost all his strength. You rarely see him punish opposing forwards even when they're not skating circles around him.

 

[Shinjuku Calling]

he's very old.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Watching last night as well, he is barely even a top 4 D anymore.

 

[Rafafouille]

Well, at least his contract is almost up.

What's that?

Really?

Oooh. Ugh. Okay.

On paper it isn't, in reality he's retiring after next season or at worst at the end of 2022-2023(6m salary next season, 3m after that and then 1m the last 3 years) Those 3 years at 1m/year are made to drop the AAV but the player never meant to play them. I have better odds winning the lottomax than Weber playing for that little.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Montreal can get off that contract since Weber does not hold a NMC or have any trade protection. I doubt Weber would report to the A if Montreal assigned him to Laval. He would have made over $120 million in salary at the end of the 21-22 season. If he does not report, then Montreal can move to have his contract terminated, ala Kovalchuck with NJ.

Works for Weber since if he wants to continue to play, he can make the same salary but his cap charge to another team will be equal to his salary.

It's Nashville that would take the hit, ala the Canucks with Luongo right now, if Weber doesn't fulfill his contract either by playing it out or ending up on LTIR.

They're not going to terminate his contract. That is such an infrequent act to occur, let alone with a team captain nearing retirement. Threaten to reassign him so he elects to go on LTIRetirement and collects the rest of his contract while working for the front office, TSN, whatever is a far more likely scenario.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Today I learned Shea Weber is the same age as Alex Ovechkin. One month apart. I feel like Weber should be older.

I remember when Ovie had just come into the league and then I read this and feel old

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Are there still recapture rules for Nashville if he doesn’t serve out his contract?

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Are there still recapture rules for Nashville if he doesn’t serve out his contract?

If he retires, yes, $24M capped at his AAV per year (about $7.8M). If he LTIRetires, Nashville gets hit with nothing.

No, Nashville is not going to pay anything of significance to trade for him under the presumption they can force him to LTIR if he plans to retire. We'll just suck up the cap penalty if it comes to that (we are trending toward a rebuild/retool anyway and will be able to find the cap space).

 

[BLNY]

Well, at least his contract is almost up.

What's that?

Really?

Oooh. Ugh. Okay.

Only took 4 pages for someone to mention a contract that is only a problem for Nashville. Any recapture penalties are now solely the responsibility of Nashville. Montreal can Hossa him if he opts not to officially retire, which he might after next year when his actual salary drops off the cliff.

With his nmc gone, Montreal has no reason to protect him - and I wouldn't. I'm not saying Seattle would take him in the draft, but I wouldn't protect him either.