Player Discussion Shea Weber - Dear Dad Edition

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LyricalLyricist

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It's amazing how this guy missed a lot of time and came back guns blazing but holy shit...he didn't have the best game on his 7th game back. Ironically it's likely same group that thinks Galchenyuk needed more time to get in game shape after a knee injury that missed half a season.

Bringing up Weber's playoff statistics are equally as ridiculous. Do people not realize how limited Nashville was back in the day? Weber, who is apparently a stay at home D with a big shot and no pass was leading their team in points on occasion. Do people not realize Nashville went through a rebuild? A lot of their team was young and some guys like Arvidsson were a fraction of themselves.

Now...that's his LAST year...where they hit 2nd round. The year before they hit the 1st round and Weber got injured but this team was even younger and further from their peak. The year before though where Nashville didn't even make playoffs...Weber lead team in points. Forsberg, Turris, Johansen, Arvidsson, Neal, etc... were not yet full time for the predators. A lot of vets only like Fisher, Legwand, Cullen and Gaustad down the middle. There was no Seth Jones, but Josi and Ekholm were very young...only their 2nd season in the league.

That team went through a rebuild that began to show in Weber's final years. They had lost Suter and company and missed playoffs a few seasons only to begin mounting some momentum. Weber was traded at that point.

If people think Nashville with all the players they have now and Weber instead of Subban would've fazed out in round 1 they need to give their head a shake. A weaker...younger team made round 2 and were on the upswing. I cannot say they would've made finals or done worse or better because who knows but acting like Weber held them back is a little ridiculous. They were a budget team and finally began to spend in recent years on younger talent and not vets they could milk.

Weber was buried in Nashville at the time like OEL is buried in PHX and so on.
 

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It's amazing how this guy missed a lot of time and came back guns blazing but holy ****...he didn't have the best game on his 7th game back. Ironically it's likely same group that thinks Galchenyuk needed more time to get in game shape after a knee injury that missed half a season.

Bringing up Weber's playoff statistics are equally as ridiculous. Do people not realize how limited Nashville was back in the day? Weber, who is apparently a stay at home D with a big shot and no pass was leading their team in points on occasion. Do people not realize Nashville went through a rebuild? A lot of their team was young and some guys like Arvidsson were a fraction of themselves.

Now...that's his LAST year...where they hit 2nd round. The year before they hit the 1st round and Weber got injured but this team was even younger and further from their peak. The year before though where Nashville didn't even make playoffs...Weber lead team in points. Forsberg, Turris, Johansen, Arvidsson, Neal, etc... were not yet full time for the predators. A lot of vets only like Fisher, Legwand, Cullen and Gaustad down the middle. There was no Seth Jones, but Josi and Ekholm were very young...only their 2nd season in the league.

That team went through a rebuild that began to show in Weber's final years. They had lost Suter and company and missed playoffs a few seasons only to begin mounting some momentum. Weber was traded at that point.

If people think Nashville with all the players they have now and Weber instead of Subban would've fazed out in round 1 they need to give their head a shake. A weaker...younger team made round 2 and were on the upswing. I cannot say they would've made finals or done worse or better because who knows but acting like Weber held them back is a little ridiculous. They were a budget team and finally began to spend in recent years on younger talent and not vets they could milk.

Weber was buried in Nashville at the time like OEL is buried in PHX and so on.
Usually the group of posters that slam Weber are a pretty smart crew, but it's like they abandon all reason when it comes to discussing him.

It's the same silly points that were brought up in the summer of '16 to counteract the negative things said about PK, which is fair in hindsight, but Jesus no one hardly talks about PK anymore, so it's time to drop the silly arguments too.
 
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It's amazing how this guy missed a lot of time and came back guns blazing but holy ****...he didn't have the best game on his 7th game back. Ironically it's likely same group that thinks Galchenyuk needed more time to get in game shape after a knee injury that missed half a season.

Bringing up Weber's playoff statistics are equally as ridiculous. Do people not realize how limited Nashville was back in the day? Weber, who is apparently a stay at home D with a big shot and no pass was leading their team in points on occasion. Do people not realize Nashville went through a rebuild? A lot of their team was young and some guys like Arvidsson were a fraction of themselves.

Now...that's his LAST year...where they hit 2nd round. The year before they hit the 1st round and Weber got injured but this team was even younger and further from their peak. The year before though where Nashville didn't even make playoffs...Weber lead team in points. Forsberg, Turris, Johansen, Arvidsson, Neal, etc... were not yet full time for the predators. A lot of vets only like Fisher, Legwand, Cullen and Gaustad down the middle. There was no Seth Jones, but Josi and Ekholm were very young...only their 2nd season in the league.

That team went through a rebuild that began to show in Weber's final years. They had lost Suter and company and missed playoffs a few seasons only to begin mounting some momentum. Weber was traded at that point.

If people think Nashville with all the players they have now and Weber instead of Subban would've fazed out in round 1 they need to give their head a shake. A weaker...younger team made round 2 and were on the upswing. I cannot say they would've made finals or done worse or better because who knows but acting like Weber held them back is a little ridiculous. They were a budget team and finally began to spend in recent years on younger talent and not vets they could milk.

Weber was buried in Nashville at the time like OEL is buried in PHX and so on.
Weber played with Suter, Josi and other decent D at times, does not compare to OEL at all, and he was playing in front of Rinne, not Ranta or Smith before...

besides, we've read so many times how godly Weber is, so why the quality of the team he plays for is used as an excuse ?
 
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Weber played with Suter, Josi and other decent D at times, does not compare to OEL at all, and he was playing in front of Rinne, not Ranta or Smith before...

besides, we've read so many times how godly Weber is, so why the quality of the team he plays for is used as an excuse ?
This is the problem with message boards, you reply to a reasonable post with something unreasonable that another poster said.

Why should LL have to explain the thoughts of another poster when he never alluded to saying Weber was godly?

He was simply tearing apart your point about team success being an individual effort.
 

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This is the problem with message boards, you reply to a reasonable post with something unreasonable that another poster said.

Why should LL have to explain the thoughts of another poster when he never alluded to saying Weber was godly?

He was simply tearing apart your point about team success being an individual effort.

Bingo. Weber's 'godly' persona is more of a meme than anything but for even those who think it's some super power of his I cannot be held responsible.

Unfortunately, ECW has a tendency to reply this way. You can write a 45 page essay with valid arguments and he'll find one irrelevant thing and only reply to that.

People need to get over who Weber was traded for and worry about if Weber is doing his job. He is and yeah I'd love Karlsson, Subban, Burns and Weber as our top 4 but we don't have that luxury. The only thing more pathetic than habs fans living in the past with their 24 cups is living in the past about trades that weren't even landslide victories or losses.
 

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It's amazing how this guy missed a lot of time and came back guns blazing but holy ****...he didn't have the best game on his 7th game back. Ironically it's likely same group that thinks Galchenyuk needed more time to get in game shape after a knee injury that missed half a season.

Bringing up Weber's playoff statistics are equally as ridiculous. Do people not realize how limited Nashville was back in the day? Weber, who is apparently a stay at home D with a big shot and no pass was leading their team in points on occasion. Do people not realize Nashville went through a rebuild? A lot of their team was young and some guys like Arvidsson were a fraction of themselves.

Now...that's his LAST year...where they hit 2nd round. The year before they hit the 1st round and Weber got injured but this team was even younger and further from their peak. The year before though where Nashville didn't even make playoffs...Weber lead team in points. Forsberg, Turris, Johansen, Arvidsson, Neal, etc... were not yet full time for the predators. A lot of vets only like Fisher, Legwand, Cullen and Gaustad down the middle. There was no Seth Jones, but Josi and Ekholm were very young...only their 2nd season in the league.

That team went through a rebuild that began to show in Weber's final years. They had lost Suter and company and missed playoffs a few seasons only to begin mounting some momentum. Weber was traded at that point.

If people think Nashville with all the players they have now and Weber instead of Subban would've fazed out in round 1 they need to give their head a shake. A weaker...younger team made round 2 and were on the upswing. I cannot say they would've made finals or done worse or better because who knows but acting like Weber held them back is a little ridiculous. They were a budget team and finally began to spend in recent years on younger talent and not vets they could milk.

Weber was buried in Nashville at the time like OEL is buried in PHX and so on.
Good post, but then why would Poile trade Weber exactly when the Preds team reaches his peak? That doesn't make much sense does it?
 

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Good post, but then why would Poile trade Weber exactly when the Preds team reaches his peak? That doesn't make much sense does it?

Because Weber was leaving his peak. The answer is age. That simple. Subban's age was more in line with their core than Weber's.

It's not to say he can't possibly think Subban is better but age definitely played a factor.

It could also be a fresh start too. Don't forget Habs let Kovalev, Koivu and others walk one year despite their status.
 

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Usually the group of posters that slam Weber are a pretty smart crew, but it's like they abandon all reason when it comes to discussing him.

It's the same silly points that were brought up in the summer of '16 to counteract the negative things said about PK, which is fair in hindsight, but Jesus no one hardly talks about PK anymore, so it's time to drop the silly arguments too.

It's temporary insanity brought on by love of Subban. Sad state of affairs. Almost three years on from the trade and people still can't get over it.
 

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It's temporary insanity brought on by love of Subban. Sad state of affairs. Almost three years on from the trade and people still can't get over it.

I understand in the case of Patrick Roy who when traded garnered no one close to his status.

Subban and Weber can outplay each other on any given night. They're both fantastic talents. Yes, Weber is older and leaving his prime so that's a problem and a valid reason as to why we lost the deal but this isn't Roy for Thibault or something like that. These are two capable players.
 

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But there is a difference one has playoff success the other doesn't.

Shea Weber was by far the best player on both team in the 1st round exit from 2016. Didn’t matter at the end since NYR beat us.

Also, one played on a stacked team (playing on the 2nd pair) while the other one played on a offensive black hole team which their #2 D would have been #5 in Nashville.
 

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none of them had the aura, the stare, the intangibles, the steadyness, the presence of Shea 2nd round Weber.

and I doubt any of them were revered as Shea 2nd round Weber is around these parts.

Using Weber's draft ranking is a pretty weak argument. I can recall several notable defenseman taken in later rounds.

The stuff said about Weber in the media and in the fanbase is what brings on the insanity I think.

His stare!

His presence!

His AURA!!


*Fart noise*

What does his fart contribute I wonder?

I don't wonder that actually
 

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Budget team vs non budget teams

Preds hahad a few seasons were they went aggressive in spending, even with serious reinforcements, wasn't enough.

PK, in the other hand, was a catalyst driving his team further in the post season than the roster talent suggested... And immediately paid dividends in leading preds to a finals appearance with a similar roster budget & makeup to the one Weber couldn't get out of the first round with.

I don't get the need to try and diminish PK's impact in evaluating Weber....

Weber is a very good player, who brings a lot to the table... Elevating his game in the post season just happens to be an area, among several, where he lags the guy we traded him for. Is what it is.
 

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Shea Weber was by far the best player on both team in the 1st round exit from 2016. Didn’t matter at the end since NYR beat us.

Also, one played on a stacked team (playing on the 2nd pair) while the other one played on a offensive black hole team which their #2 D would have been #5 in Nashville.
No he wasnt Radulov was the best player for the Habs that series.
 
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That shouldn't impact his performance in the playoffs. Low budget teams have had success in the playoffs so that's just an excuse.

The guy isn't an offensive D-man and lead his team in points some years. How can you discount how weak the team had to be?

Name me the plethora of low budget teams that made finals in the cap era.
 

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Preds hahad a few seasons were they went aggressive in spending, even with serious reinforcements, wasn't enough.

PK, in the other hand, was a catalyst driving his team further in the post season than the roster talent suggested... And immediately paid dividends in leading preds to a finals appearance with a similar roster budget & makeup to the one Weber couldn't get out of the first round with.

I don't get the need to try and diminish PK's impact in evaluating Weber....

Weber is a very good player, who brings a lot to the table... Elevating his game in the post season just happens to be an area, among several, where he lags the guy we traded him for. Is what it is.

When did I attack PK though? I'm speaking about Weber.

The last season Weber was a Predator they spent 62 million. They jumped their spending nearly 15% the year after and nearly 20% since. The cap has not went up that much to justify a 20% increase.
 

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The stuff said about Weber in the media and in the fanbase is what brings on the insanity I think.

His stare!

His presence!

His AURA!!


*Fart noise*
Lmao.

Do we get equally upset when someone refers to Price as the best goalie in the world though?

I think the praise is silly but I don't take offense to it.
 
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