Tribute Shea Weber: Gone to Vegas

Deebs

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Weber's game has always had a ceiling. Just that when your partner is Ryan Suter--who only has faltered this year--and Roman Josi, you can turn being a hybrid of Gorges and Souray in a bigger frame into something supremely overrated. Andrei Markov was 50 times the dman Weber was and is. OMG, some slappers on Olympic ice. That's what we need in an 82 game season and playoffs.
Weber was the better all around d man than Markov. Similar offensive output and better defensively. Markov was great for us but one cannot be blinded because of current play.
 

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This guy has never..........ever impressed me in a hab uniform.........big hitter . intimidating my ass.......lemme know one......one dominating hit he's laid as a hab.......... he's a fricken........phony!!
This is what i have been repeating last few years. Romanov has more big hits already then weber had in his habs career
 

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Weber sucks, I haven’t seen more than a couple decent plays from him all year. Most of the time he is running around in his own end, fumbling pucks, missing easy exit passes, icing the puck and/or taking penalties. I wish he would go away. I think he’s the worst d on the team and I’m not joking. Retire Shea, your hoax of a career is coming to an end.
 

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Weber was the better all around d man than Markov. Similar offensive output and better defensively. Markov was great for us but one cannot be blinded because of current play.
Markov was a cerebral analyzer of the ice, could make first passes, and knew PP quarterbacking. At his peak, the one-dimensional Komisarek was given 6million bucks a year thanks to Markov.

Weber is a pure gunner who needs someone else to do the ice reading. Shea Weber has never crossed 35 assists in his career.
 

Deebs

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Markov was a cerebral analyzer of the ice, could make first passes, and knew PP quarterbacking. At his peak, the one-dimensional Komisarek was given 6million bucks a year thanks to Markov.

Weber is a pure gunner who needs someone else to do the ice reading. Shea Weber has never crossed 35 assists in his career.
Different type of offensive skillset, similar end production. Both were excellent players.
 

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if only we could be that lucky... Weber retiring this summer, freeing up that cap space at a time where some owners want to unload salary and the UFA market for dmen is decent... what a stroke of luck that would be.

Cap penalty would be disastrous for Nashville, that's for sure, maybe we could pry a lil something off them if they'd take him back. Then, there's Dougie Hamilton who's UFA, not like there's nothing interesting, at least we'd have a shot...
 

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Different type of offensive skillset, similar end production. Both were excellent players.
Weber's net impact is less than Markov. Weber has no influence on the grinders of the team, does not help the transition, does not help the break out. And even in his own end, has substantial weaknesses than can be exploited. Weber cannot sustain himself without another elite LD.

Weber's offense is easy to snuff out for opponents. Block the shot or these days, he'll just miss anyway. And don't take penalties, his booming shot is less effective on ES.
 
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Deebs

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Weber's net impact is less than Markov. Weber has no influence on the grinders of the team, does not help the transition, does not help the break out. And even in his own end, has substantial weaknesses than can be exploited. Weber cannot sustain himself without another elite LD.

Weber's offense is easy to snuff out for opponents. Block the shot or these days, he'll just miss anyway. And don't take penalties, his booming shot is less effective on ES.
I'm not sure you watched Shea play back in the day. Breakout passes were excellent. Over the past 3-4 years, not so much, we know this. If you want a puck mover/quarterback, go with Marky. You want a scorer, go with Shea. Depends on the team needs don't you think?

Weber has always been better than Markov defensively throughout their career.

Again, both were great players and both faded away before our eyes. That's how it goes when they get to that age.

Those two playing together in their primes would've been outstanding to watch.
 
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JoelWarlord

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Weber was the better all around d man than Markov. Similar offensive output and better defensively. Markov was great for us but one cannot be blinded because of current play.
Prime Weber was better yes, but Canadiens Markov was miles better than Canadiens Weber and it's not close. Andrei Markov dragged garbage like Mike Komisarek around and got those dudes paid, Weber started slowing down the second he didn't have a partner like Suter, Josi (or Markov).
 

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Prime Weber was better yes, but Canadiens Markov was miles better than Canadiens Weber and it's not close. Andrei Markov dragged garbage like Mike Komisarek around and got those dudes paid, Weber started slowing down the second he didn't have a partner like Suter, Josi (or Markov).
Two completely different players. Weber is great in front of the net and has a killer shot. Very steady in his own end.

Markov was all about the transition game. If you could combine them you'd have almost the perfect defenseman. Neither was really a rushing guy the way Subban was though.
 
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salbutera

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Prime Weber was better yes, but Canadiens Markov was miles better than Canadiens Weber and it's not close. Andrei Markov dragged garbage like Mike Komisarek around and got those dudes paid, Weber started slowing down the second he didn't have a partner like Suter, Josi (or Markov).
Lindstrom & Niedermeyer are the only two Dman I can think of in the last 30-years with better IQ than Markov he was that good despite playing on piss poor teams and having to carry his partner until Subban developed into his Norris season.

Markov did constantly underperform in the playoffs however, may simply be due to oppositions game plan being totally focused on Markov
 

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Lindstrom & Niedermeyer are the only two Dman I can think of in the last 30-years with better IQ than Markov he was that good despite playing on piss poor teams and having to carry his partner until Subban developed into his Norris season.

Markov did constantly underperform in the playoffs however, may simply be due to oppositions game plan being totally focused on Markov
Subban developed without Markov in the lineup. He was hurt those years. When he returned, he and Subban were paired together and PK won the Norris.
 
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Two completely different players. Weber is great in front of the net and has a killer shot. Very steady in his own end.

Markov was all about the transition game. If you could combine them you'd have almost the perfect defenseman. Neither was really a rushing guy the way Subban was though.

Markov-Weber was a great pairing for us.
 

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I see Weber getting shit on a ton, but there is minimal criticism of Petry who has possibly been even worse than Weber.

Both of them need to wake the f*** up.

Because he produces offense, people think Petry is a top pairing D and too much gets asked of him. His defensive brain farts have always been there and will always limit him.
 

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In the last 16 games he has less points than Weber.
Petry has been terrible for the past month. I honestly thought he turned the corner this year and would finally be a steady, reliable defenseman for a couple years. It's really unfortunate
 
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I see Weber getting shit on a ton, but there is minimal criticism of Petry who has possibly been even worse than Weber.

Both of them need to wake the f*** up.
Weber is getting crapped on because he has captained one of the worst stretches in habs history with little to no public backlashes.

Could you imagine the blowback Koivu would have gotten if he was in his 3rd coach in 6 years and had a team struggling to make the POs every year?
 

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Petry has been terrible for the past month. I honestly thought he turned the corner this year and would finally be a steady, reliable defenseman for a couple years. It's really unfortunate

Petry is what he is... Expecting him to be a #1 dman was never realistic. Even he and his agent know as much, his extension wasn't #1Dman money, if they could've made that case, they would've.

He's been great this year. That he is wearing down with both the scehdule and the lack of support in the rest of the dgroup is totatlly normal.

If we had an elite #1D in the roster to shoulder some of that load, or even another decent top-pairing dman caliber player, Petry's inconsistency wouldn't be nearly as noticeable.

His struggles, surprise surprise, coincided with the coaches starting to juggle the d-pairings instead of letting him continue to build on the strong rythmn he and Edmundson had built. Coaches seem to have made the mistake of thinking he could adapt without missing a beat, ignoring both his limitations and the grind of the condensed schedule.

Unfortunately, he's got Weber, and then a bunch of bottom-pairing caliber players around him. Considering that, hard not to still be pleased with his overall contributions this year
 

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Petry is what he is... Expecting him to be a #1 dman was never realistic. Even he and his agent know as much, his extension wasn't #1Dman money, if they could've made that case, they would've.

He's been great this year. That he is wearing down with both the scehdule and the lack of support in the rest of the dgroup is totatlly normal.

If we had an elite #1D in the roster to shoulder some of that load, or even another decent top-pairing dman caliber player, Petry's inconsistency wouldn't be nearly as noticeable.

His struggles, surprise surprise, coincided with the coaches starting to juggle the d-pairings instead of letting him continue to build on the strong rythmn he and Edmundson had built. Coaches seem to have made the mistake of thinking he could adapt without missing a beat, ignoring both his limitations and the grind of the condensed schedule.

Unfortunately, he's got Weber, and then a bunch of bottom-pairing caliber players around him. Considering that, hard not to still be pleased with his overall contributions this year
"Lack of support" sums it up.

Petry is kind of like a Max Paccioretty. Really good player but not somebody who should be carrying your team. With Weber going away a lot more is put on Petry. It's killing us just like it did when Weber was hurt in 2018. You can't just have one guy (who's a great 2nd pairing guy) carry the load.

People keep screaming about the forwards and the goalie... it's the defense!!! That's our problem.
 

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