Proposal: Shattenkirk or Fowler to NJD

[Dbrownss]

Larkin was confirmed at the 2015 draft, it was debunked for just the 2016 draft. It was just poor journalism by the Red Wings writer, which JR retweeted and then it took off.

Ah ok, that's what I first thought but then other info led me to believe it was completely debunked. Given that it was 2015, it shows Army was willing to give up 2 yrs of Shattenkirk for an unproven prospect.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Ah ok, that's what I first thought but then other info led me to believe it was completely debunked. Given that it was 2015, it shows Army was willing to give up 2 yrs of Shattenkirk for an unproven prospect.

Sure, he was unproven, but almost all people that follow the NHL had a very high belief that Larkin was going to be an instant impact.

 

[Dbrownss]

Sure, he was unproven, but almost all people that follow the NHL had a very high belief that Larkin was going to be an instant impact.

That's not what I'm trying to really get at. I'm more saying how Armstrong isn't dead set of now pieces for Hitch's final cup run. His eye is on the future imo

 

[bleedblue1223]

That's not what I'm trying to really get at. I'm more saying how Armstrong isn't dead set of now pieces for Hitch's final cup run. His eye is on the future imo

Definitely. I think his target is ideal target is 25ish and under, someone to fit in with the younger core.

 

[Whitsmith803]

Okay so 2 unproven prospects is going to get you Kevin Shattenkirk signed long term, Yeah good luck with this Army will want more proven players then both Zacha and Santini that's for sure.

You sure about that? I wouldn't think the Devils would get T-Hall for A-Larsson trade yet they did. Look at it this way- Devils trade Larsson, Zacha, Santini and get Hall and Shattenkirk- hell of an off-season.

I believe Army is looking for VALUE and with the Cap and expansion I think it changes things. Two less players you have to protect in the expansion draft and controlled players for years. Getting the 6th overall pick is no small task either one with size and skill.

Pavel Zacha-1ST ROUND (6TH OVERALL), 2015
Steve Santini- 2ND ROUND (42ND OVERALL),2013

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

You sure about that? I wouldn't think the Devils would get T-Hall for A-Larsson trade yet they did. Look at it this way- Devils trade Larsson, Zacha, Santini and get Hall and Shattenkirk- hell of an off-season.

I believe Army is looking for VALUE and with the Cap and expansion I think it changes things. Two less players you have to protect in the expansion draft and controlled players for years. Getting the 6th overall pick is no small task either one with size and skill.

Pavel Zacha-1ST ROUND (6TH OVERALL), 2015
Steve Santini- 2ND ROUND (42ND OVERALL),2013

Yeah but bottom line Ray Shero isn't moving those guys out, Unless Shattenkirk signs a long term extension with the Devils and those odds are like Nil.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Yeah but bottom line Ray Shero isn't moving those guys out, Unless Shattenkirk signs a long term extension with the Devils and those odds are like Nil.

#1: The odds of Shattenkirk signing a longterm extension with NJD are VERY HIGH.

#2: Ray Shero would not make this trade either way. Zacha + Santini > Shattenkirk. Value-wise.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

The Devils are in no position to move 2 up and coming pieces in Zacha and Santini for someone like Fowler or Shattenkirk.

I think the Devils will sit tight and make a move with a team that's looking to lose a key blueliner to the expansion draft. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see a package surrounding our 2017 1st round pick and a young forward like Boucher, Blandisi and possibly Quenneville but that might be less likely.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Dan Rosen mentions the Devils as a good landing spot for Fowler. If that means anything.... lol

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Dan Rosen mentions the Devils as a good landing spot for Fowler. If that means anything.... lol

Nope Fowler is coming home to Detroit, Book it.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Nope Fowler is coming home to Detroit, Book it.

Tatar/Nyquist for Fowler straight up.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Tatar/Nyquist for Fowler straight up.

Done i think most Duck fans want Tomas Tatar+Riley Sheahan for Cam Fowler with us resigning Darren Helm i would do that deal all day long.

 

[tomd]

Tatar/Nyquist for Fowler straight up.

Nyquist makes way too much for the Ducks to be able to afford. Part of the goal of trading Fowler is to free up cash for Lindholm/Rakell. Nyquist would actually cost them money on a net basis. Not happening.

 

[STL fan in MN]

PAVEL ZACHA and STEVEN SANTINI - for KEVIN SHATTENKIRK with him signing long term

As a Blues fan, I would absolutely do this. Army seems way more open to futures for Shatty than he was for Oshie (at least according to the Blues main beat writer, Jeremy Rutherford) and Zacha especially is NHL ready anyway. That said, I don't see any way NJ does this, even with an extended Shatty.

 

[NJDevils17]

The Devils simply aren't trading their two best prospects for Shattenkirk even on an extension. Zacha for Shattenkirk straight up probably isn't happening either to be honest. The organization thinks very highly of him and I'd imagine Shero wants to see what they have in their 6th overall pick before trading him. That's just what I believe the team thinks.

As for me, I personally wouldn't deal Zacha but I'd be open to trading Santini, especially with Shattenkirk coming back. Santini is a pretty good guy to build a package around, I'm just not sure what we'd have to add. I'm lost as to his value in a trade in an extended Shattenkirk.

 

[Dbrownss]

The Devils simply aren't trading their two best prospects for Shattenkirk even on an extension. Zacha for Shattenkirk straight up probably isn't happening either to be honest. The organization thinks very highly of him and I'd imagine Shero wants to see what they have in their 6th overall pick before trading him. That's just what I believe the team thinks.

As for me, I personally wouldn't deal Zacha but I'd be open to trading Santini, especially with Shattenkirk coming back. Santini is a pretty good guy to build a package around, I'm just not sure what we'd have to add. I'm lost as to his value in a trade in an extended Shattenkirk.

I understand the lack of interest in moving Zacha but the Blues wouldn't have much interest in Santini given our RHD depth

 

[NJDevils17]

I understand the lack of interest in moving Zacha but the Blues wouldn't have much interest in Santini given our RHD depth

Yeah, I don't think the teams actually make good trading partners. The Devils are more reluctant to give up futures/prospects like Zacha. They'd probably have more interest in moving Boucher, Blandisi, etc. which isn't really going to get a deal done.

 

[ghdi]

The Blues are not getting a king's ransom for a guy less than a year from UFA. It just doesn't happen. The opportunity to get that huge return slipped away when Shattenkirk turned down Edmonton. Shattenkirk will do better for himself on an open market.

No team is giving up key futures even if Shattenkirk is agreeable to an extension with them unless that team has expendable futures. You're not going to find many teams that have expendable futures + are able to afford Shattenkirk's extension in the area of the country he (rumored) wants to go. At least as of today.

I can see an unprotected first round pick easily being part of the return. I can easily see a prospect being included, but key prospects from a team like the Devils, just no. In the Devils perspective, guys like Zacha etc. are completely off the table for Shattenkirk and its a lot smarter to wait for our crack at him.

It's Yandle 2.0.