Sharks warn San Jose downtown development may force them out

[Red Light Lover]

Castro Valley Sharks has a nice ring to it, yeah?

 

[Lebanezer]

Napa Vintners is my vote.

 

[WTFetus]

Oakland Orcas at Oracle.

 

[NWSharkie]

I understand your point, but if I'm the Sharks trying to force a new arena, why would I just dump hundreds of thousands of dollars in building upgrades this past summer?

That's a fair point. I suppose I didn't mean to directly compare the two situations, more that the A's have been talking about moving out of Oakland since I can remember, so I'm a little more skeptical of vague threats of relocation.

 

[LadyStanley]

From the maps I recall seeing, Diridon station parking will go, being replaced with buildings. That's perhaps HALF of the parking immediately adjacent to the arena. (Now perhaps they will have underground parking accessible "after hours" for SAP Center events, but still, they won't be available during construction.)

Autumn/Montgomery/Cahill/Santa Clara are the main access points to SAP Center from the south, east and west. So it those roads are CLOSED (during construction) or reduced in size that will impact traffic into and out of SAP Center.


Unless it's changed, there is no good access for ride share pick ups after events. (The one "block" so allocated is often filled with limos)

Folks from 30+ miles away are "forced" to drive to events as there are no public transportation alternatives AFTER events/games to return home.

Amtrak gets you to work in the morning, but not for evening travel to events. Amtrak (commute) heading home last train leaves almost before the event starts. (Coast Starlight NB leaves 8:30pm - only operates MWF. Coast Starlight SB leaves 10am only operating TThSa.)

CalTrain does not run south of Diridon after commute hours. So those folks are forced to drive to games/events.

As of today - no BART connection in SJ. Light rail helps with some population centers, but not all in Santa Clara county. (And nothing beyond)

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

If they ever moved, but still in the Bay Area, I'd be cool with that. Would be like the Niners in Santa Clara or Warriors in SF.

The Warriors moved FROM San Francisco to Oakland, going back isnt quite the same

 

[Pavelski2112]

From the maps I recall seeing, Diridon station parking will go, being replaced with buildings. That's perhaps HALF of the parking immediately adjacent to the arena. (Now perhaps they will have underground parking accessible "after hours" for SAP Center events, but still, they won't be available during construction.)

Autumn/Montgomery/Cahill/Santa Clara are the main access points to SAP Center from the south, east and west. So it those roads are CLOSED (during construction) or reduced in size that will impact traffic into and out of SAP Center.


Unless it's changed, there is no good access for ride share pick ups after events. (The one "block" so allocated is often filled with limos)

Folks from 30+ miles away are "forced" to drive to events as there are no public transportation alternatives AFTER events/games to return home.

Amtrak gets you to work in the morning, but not for evening travel to events. Amtrak (commute) heading home last train leaves almost before the event starts. (Coast Starlight NB leaves 8:30pm - only operates MWF. Coast Starlight SB leaves 10am only operating TThSa.)

CalTrain does not run south of Diridon after commute hours. So those folks are forced to drive to games/events.

As of today - no BART connection in SJ. Light rail helps with some population centers, but not all in Santa Clara county. (And nothing beyond)

As someone who doesn't drive, the fact that San Jose is built around owning a car, and continues to do shit like this, is so f***ing frustrating.

 

[hohosaregood]

As someone who doesn't drive, the fact that San Jose is built around owning a car, and continues to do shit like this, is so f***ing frustrating.

That's why I'm hoping the Google commercial thing works out in the long run. Even though we have *some* public transit, there's not really any destinations. Whenever I've gone to Asia, every subway and train station was also in or was a huge commercial area that gave people some reason to be there other than just being a leg of the trip.

 

[sharski]

That's why I'm hoping the Google commercial thing works out in the long run. Even though we have *some* public transit, there's not really any destinations. Whenever I've gone to Asia, every subway and train station was also in or was a huge commercial area that gave people some reason to be there other than just being a leg of the trip.

The Shinjuku Sharks would be cool

 

[CanadienShark]

Really would suck to build a new arena. SAP is one of the best I have been to and building a new one is a mess( coming from a guy in calgary)

I totally forgot about that. Where are they building the new arena? I drive by the Saddledome on a nearly daily basis.

OT: I'm wondering if this'll actually be a problem. Personally, it doesn't really affect me, and I've never been to San Jose.

Its only a mess because the city of calgary major and political party's are stupid. Yes the owner is rich and could afford it on his own. But that is not how new arenas work. The city will always pay something. But the city got greedy and wants way to much of the profit from the arena for what they were willing to pay.

Yep, the city is ridiculous, but I also think the owner got greedy. Both suck.

 

[Beethovens 10th]

Keep them local!

The Pleasanton Pandemics

It has an oxymoronic ring to it.
Plus they’ll be right off the BART so you’re sure to get Covid-19.
The penalty box can be quarantine.
Face off -> Mask On
5 for violating social distancing.
1st period, 2nd period, 3rd period becomes 1st wave, 2nd wave, 3rd wave.
Overtime - Ventilation
Sudden death can stay the same.
And a home team shutout is “the new normal.”

Look it writes itself people.

 

[Barrie22]

I totally forgot about that. Where are they building the new arena? I drive by the Saddledome on a nearly daily basis.

OT: I'm wondering if this'll actually be a problem. Personally, it doesn't really affect me, and I've never been to San Jose.



Yep, the city is ridiculous, but I also think the owner got greedy. Both suck.

The one deal i seen was that the flames owner would pay about 70% of the arena costs, but the city wanted like over 50% of the revenues from all non flame games.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

It makes me happy knowing that so many here could've been Flames fans due to their proximity to the Saddledome, but instead choose to be Sharks fans.

 

[themelkman]

It makes me happy knowing that so many here could've been Flames fans due to their proximity to the Saddledome, but instead choose to be Sharks fans.

I became a sharks fan because of 1 the cool logo and 2 Joe Thornton. Made up my mind as a kid and just stuck with it.

 

[The Nemesis]

It makes me happy knowing that so many here could've been Flames fans due to their proximity to the Saddledome, but instead choose to be Sharks fans.

Hey, I wouldn't have been a Flames fan. Alternate Universe Nem would've been a Canucks fan. *shudder*.

 

[Lebanezer]

Hey, I wouldn't have been a Flames fan. Alternate Universe Nem would've been a Canucks fan. *shudder*.

 

[The Nemesis]

Yeah. I'd probably hate myself, somewhere deep in my subconscious knowing that the world wasn't the way it was supposed to be, but unable to fix it because I was trapped in a living hell beyond my control.

 

[one2gamble]

I wouldn't mind them moving slightly further south but that's just because I want a shorter commute

 

[DG93]

It seems like this is kind of posturing no? I don't think the Sharks would actually leave...

 

[Groo]

Keep them local!

The Pleasanton Pandemics

It has an oxymoronic ring to it.
Plus they’ll be right off the BART so you’re sure to get Covid-19.
The penalty box can be quarantine.
Face off -> Mask On
5 for violating social distancing.
1st period, 2nd period, 3rd period becomes 1st wave, 2nd wave, 3rd wave.
Overtime - Ventilation
Sudden death can stay the same.
And a home team shutout is “the new normal.”

Look it writes itself people.

Would make a great replacement for the mall. Bart at your front door and the 580/680 interchange a block over

 

[matt trick]

They're locked into the TV deal for anything bay area right? Oakland, SF, Santa Clara, SJ- does it matter?

If they can get out of that deal by moving somewhere still in the Bay, I'd understand that, but from a contract perspective, it's all the same, right?

 

[sharski]

let’s be reality, this is just setting expectations for a move to Baltimore in 5 years

on the bright side it would solve their brutal travel disadvantage

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

It will be a damn crime if this team seriously leaves San Jose.

 

[Cas]

It will be a damn crime if this team seriously leaves San Jose.

No team is going to move from the San Francisco Bay Area, one of the wealthiest and most populous regions in the world, to some smaller, poorer market that likely wouldn't give them a free facility anyway (because they won't be able to afford it).

 

[Pinkfloyd]

No team is going to move from the San Francisco Bay Area, one of the wealthiest and most populous regions in the world, to some smaller, poorer market that likely wouldn't give them a free facility anyway (because they won't be able to afford it).

Agreed but there are places that can give them a free facility in five years or so which is a time that the Sharks would certainly be available to move if the right deal comes along. I don't foresee that occurring. I think San Jose will get a deal done with the Sharks to keep them here but their lease is arranged to get out if it becomes necessary.