GDT: Sharks Vs. Predators 7:30PM PST

[LeftHeartInSF]

Losing Simek could be the death of this team... lol

Nah. It will come down to whether playoff Jones shows up or not.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

It's not so much the guy(s) behind the bench. This year's team has a ton of versatility. I have more confidence than ever that they can adapt. I do think that the return to the point-shot system in this game was due to it being available and Nashville dominating down low.



Reinforces the idea that Meier is a better player now than Marleau ever was.

Regarding Meier's reputation as a diver, the ref had no choice. A Swiss-on-Swiss penalty had to result in a neutral effect.

I don’t know if I would go that far regarding Meier/Marleau just yet...remember, Marleau’s rank among the league in even strength points was quite a bit higher; it was just a much higher scoring year in 2009-2010. Marleau was also a top-5 goal scorer who was elite defensively at evens and great on the PP and PK. I could see Meier getting to that level but he’s not there yet.

 

[Sysreq]

Losing Simek could be the death of this team... lol

Simek was a good add, but realistically, I think we’ll be fine when’s Karlsson comes back.

Vlasic - Burns
Dillion - Karlsson
Braun - Heed/Ryan

 

[FunkyPhin]

I didn't watch the game but from the looks of this board Braun had another terrible game, I don't understand how PDB can justify benching donskoi after his struggles yet won't even think of benching Braun...

 

[Barrie22]

I didn't watch the game but from the looks of this board Braun had another terrible game, I don't understand how PDB can justify benching donskoi after his struggles yet won't even think of benching Braun...

He would bench braun if he had a pollack to use in his place. Instead they have decent defensemen sitting for braun.

 

[WSS11]

I didn't watch the game but from the looks of this board Braun had another terrible game, I don't understand how PDB can justify benching donskoi after his struggles yet won't even think of benching Braun...

Coaches have biases. Braun eats up minutes and the reason Deboer never benched Melker or Goodrow when they we’re struggling is the same reason he won’t bench Braun; they plays a lot of minutes on special teams. Donskoi doesn’t

 

[Lebanezer]

 

[Beethovens 10th]

Haley is the stick.

 

[hohosaregood]

That's why you should frame these questions as "Is Donskoi good enough to stay in the lineup?" and make it a Donskoi story rather than make it a Haley story. Lead the witness and get Deboer to bag on Donskoi as much as possible.

 

[DeadGhost]

Good for Pete and good for Pavs for stepping up for Haley in the postgame yesterday. Hopefully this gets Donskoi going. When he's on, he's certainly more effective than Haley but it's been several games since Donskoi has played his role better than Haley has played his.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

People need to look no further than this Sharks team to understand why wins are a terrible stat for assessing the performance of coaches and goaltenders.

 

[WSS11]

Thank God Haley sparked the team with that four second fight against Simmonds last night. The league has changed, we don’t need an enforcer on this team. Radil or Donskoi should be rotating in that fourth line spot.

 

[Lebanezer]

 

[FeedingFrenzy]

This team has quite a bad habit of giving up a goal right after scoring 1...
Absolutely maddening...

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Okay, after some quick research:

2015-2016 Sharks:

8-8-0 with Haley in the lineup (82 point pace)
38-22-6 without Haley in the lineup (102 point pace)
5-3-0 in games where Haley fought (103 point pace)

2016-2017 Sharks:

29-21-7 with Haley in the lineup (94 point pace)
17-8-0 without Haley in lineup (112 point pace)
7-8-1 in games where Haley fought (77 point pace)

2018-2019 Sharks:

8-4-0 with Haley in the lineup (109 point pace)
35-17-8 without Haley in the lineup (107 point pace)
1-2-0 in games where Haley fought (55 point pace)

Haley's Sharks Career:

45-33-7 with Haley in the lineup (94 point pace)
90-47-14 without Haley in the lineup (105 point pace)
13-13-1 in games where Haley fought (82 point pace)

 

[Negatively Positive]

Why did DW have to claim Haley? He needs to save the coach and players from themselves. I'm sure Haley's a good dude but winning the cup is hard enough without the team handicapping themselves. If you like him give him a job as a consultant or something.

 

[sharski]

Definitely seems like DW and PDB are on the same page

We'll see what happens if it becomes a 3-game losing streak and the chances of claiming the division start fading

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

2018-2019 Florida Panthers:

9-10-5 with Haley in the lineup (79 point pace)
23-17-7 without Haley in the lineup (92 point pace)
1-1-0 when Haley fights (82 point pace)

2017-2018 Florida Panthers:

39-29-7 with Haley in the lineup (93 point pace)
5-1-1 without Haley in the lineup (129 point pace)
10-9-1 when Haley fights (86 point pace)

Haley's Panthers career:

48-39-12 with Haley in the lineup (89 point pace)
28-18-8 without Haley in the lineup (97 point pace)
11-10-1 when Haley fights (86 point pace)

 

[DG93]

This team has quite a bad habit of giving up a goal right after scoring 1...
Absolutely maddening...

I feel like that's been the case for many years though. Another trend seems to be them relaxing in the last minute or so of the 1st/2nd period and giving up a grade-A scoring chance or a goal.

 

[WTFetus]

Won 6 in a row with Haley averaging ~8 minutes a game. Imagine if they doubled his TOI.

 

[OffSydes]

What's going to sting worse...

1st round exit or EK65 walking?

 

[hohosaregood]

What's going to sting worse...

1st round exit or EK65 walking?

1st round exit. EK65 was worth acquiring regardless of his future employment status.

 

[Timo Time]

What's going to sting worse...

1st round exit or EK65 walking?

Both, proceeded by Haley signing an extension.

 

[Bleedred]

Okay, after some quick research:

2015-2016 Sharks:

8-8-0 with Haley in the lineup (82 point pace)
38-22-6 without Haley in the lineup (102 point pace)
5-3-0 in games where Haley fought (103 point pace)

2016-2017 Sharks:

29-21-7 with Haley in the lineup (94 point pace)
17-8-0 without Haley in lineup (112 point pace)
7-8-1 in games where Haley fought (77 point pace)

2018-2019 Sharks:

8-4-0 with Haley in the lineup (109 point pace)
35-17-8 without Haley in the lineup (107 point pace)
1-2-0 in games where Haley fought (55 point pace)

Haley's Sharks Career:

45-33-7 with Haley in the lineup (94 point pace)
90-47-14 without Haley in the lineup (105 point pace)
13-13-1 in games where Haley fought (82 point pace)

The conclusion appears to be that Haley and his presence did not help the Sharks win games in previous years, but that DeBoer’s assessment in that he helps win games is true for this year, but Haley fighting still doesn’t help the Sharks win!

 

[Lebanezer]

Okay, after some quick research:

2015-2016 Sharks:

8-8-0 with Haley in the lineup (82 point pace)
38-22-6 without Haley in the lineup (102 point pace)
5-3-0 in games where Haley fought (103 point pace)

2016-2017 Sharks:

29-21-7 with Haley in the lineup (94 point pace)
17-8-0 without Haley in lineup (112 point pace)
7-8-1 in games where Haley fought (77 point pace)

2018-2019 Sharks:

8-4-0 with Haley in the lineup (109 point pace)
35-17-8 without Haley in the lineup (107 point pace)
1-2-0 in games where Haley fought (55 point pace)

Haley's Sharks Career:

45-33-7 with Haley in the lineup (94 point pace)
90-47-14 without Haley in the lineup (105 point pace)
13-13-1 in games where Haley fought (82 point pace)

The point of the game is to score more goals than the other team. When a coach looks at his lineup he has to think of the most efficient way to divvy up ice time. When looking at the Sharks' forwards it looks like this:

All special teams:
Couture, Hertl, Meier, Kane and Pavelski

PP only:
Thornton, Labanc, Nyquist

PK only:
Sorensen, Goodrow, Melker

Only 5 on 5
Haley, Donskoi (was dropped from the powerplay in favor of Vlasic), Radil

Deboer has decided that the 12th forward spot on any given night will be filled by a player who only has an opportunity at 5 on 5 to make a difference in the game. Radil has shown an ability to play up the lineup, in the top 6, and be an effective player at 5 on 5. Donskoi has shown an ability to play in the top 6 and on the power play. Haley does not possess any hockey related qualities that warrant his insertion into the lineup, but Deboer feels that what he provides is valuable, even though it deviates from the whole point of hockey, which is to score more goals. It's hypocritical to talk about the depth of your lineup and then sacrifice depth in favor of a player who's "good in the room." If Kevin Labanc is struggling, and gets demoted to the 4th line, the only choices Deboer has to bump up are Melker and Goodrow. Neither of those players would have the success of Donskoi in that position. If Labanc and Haley are then benched, Karlsson is promoted, and Donskoi is scratched, you now have 10th wheel Barclay Goodrow who will be benched as well because there's no place to put him. If Labanc is demoted or benched, and Donskoi is playing and promoted, Kane and Timo can double shift on the 4th line if need be, thus retaining the 4 line team that Deboer always emphasizes. My main issue with Haley playing is not really an issue with Haley specifically playing over someone like Donskoi or Radil, it's the ripple effect on the rest of the roster in that game. The Sharks need to be able to take advantage of their superior depth against other teams. Haley turns their depth from a strength to a weakness. Whatever Deboer claims "to see" in Haley goes against everything Deboer's preached from his 1st day with the Sharks. The fact that he doesn't choose to see the broader picture handicaps the team.