GDT: Sharks Vs. Predators 7:30PM PST

[Lebanezer]

Since most people (in the media and hopefully GM's) don't know that he's terrible now, I'm hoping he can be unloaded for the final year of his deal. Since his salary isn't bad and he's still living off a reputation and has only a year left, I think he can be traded. The question is whether Doug wants to trade him or not and I think he should, if not just to dump cap.

Sounds like a call needs to be made to Dorion after the season. He loves BAD Sharks players over there. He's already got DeMelo and Boedker. See if he can take out one last piece of trash for us.

Doug was supposedly shopping Braun at the deadline.

 

[Lebanezer]

Vlasic, Couture, and Jones sure have been great all season. It’s a good thing we’ve got them next season at $20.75M to help us with our impending cap crunch, and it’s a great thing we’ve also made sure to extend Peter DeBoer!

Vlasic and Jones will obviously be given a chance to bounce back because they’re basically immovable and have “earned” that right. As for Couture, I still cannot understand his thinking when he thought he needed to bulk up for this season. He has to work exclusively on maintaining his quickness and speed. Brute strength is not a part of his game.

 

[DG93]

Doug was supposedly shopping Braun at the deadline.

Where'd you see this?

 

[Lebanezer]

Apparently you can add protecting the players from themselves to the list of Doug's duties.

 

[Lebanezer]

Where'd you see this?

 

[DG93]

Interesting, that's good to hear...means they'll likely dump him this offseason if EK65 re-signs.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Whoops, shouldn't have written Preds there...my bad.

It’s okay, I just feel the need to pump the tires of those guys and what they did in those playoffs. The 2016 Predators aren’t very similar to the 2019 Predators anyhow. Sven in a down year, Subban showed tonight that he is so much better than Weber was at that point. There are other areas where their team has improved as well.

I agree with the gist of your post. This team has spurts of forcing point shots for an entire game and getting most of them blocked. The Burns point shot system is not dangerous anymore and I worry that a strong tactician behind an enemy bench could easily neuter our offense for 4 out of 7 games if the offense isn’t able to adapt.

At 5-on-5, Burns and Karlsson are 1st and 2nd among defensemen in individual shot attempts per 60. Yet they’re 89th and 162nd in goals per 60. This season, their shooting is not working; they are just not dangerous shooters from the point.

Karlsson is shooting way more than he ever has; he’s taking over 19 shot attempts per 60 and he previously hovered around 13-15 in every full season. Burns has cut his rate down to 19.5 when it was above 21.5 in the past two seasons but it’s still too high. Burns is 4th in league assists and Karlsson has finished 1st in the past. Burns showed exactly what his playmaking abilities are tonight on Thornton’s goal. The coaching staff needs to emphasize Burns pushing the play down low and creating offense through playmaking. When Karlsson gets back, the same must be done with him. That will prevent games like tonight from happening frequently.

Hertl and Meier have consistently shown up in these kinds of games and created a lot of offense, even when the team has struggled. That is very encouraging and makes me more optimistic about them as our guys up front going forward.

Speaking of Meier; not only does he have 60 points, but he has 50 even strength points in only 69 games. That even strength production is already 11th in franchise history. Thornton has scored over 50 ESP 8 times and holds the franchise record with 60 in 2006-2007. Marleau and Heatley with 54 and 51 in 2009-2010 are the only other Sharks to score over 50 even strength points. Hertl also has 49 in 67 games; both of them could potentially break a franchise record this season or next season if they play together.

 

[DG93]

It’s okay, I just feel the need to pump the tires of those guys and what they did in those playoffs. The 2016 Predators aren’t very similar to the 2019 Predators anyhow. Sven in a down year, Subban showed tonight that he is so much better than Weber was at that point. There are other areas where their team has improved as well.

I agree with the gist of your post. This team has spurts of forcing point shots for an entire game and getting most of them blocked. The Burns point shot system is not dangerous anymore and I worry that a strong tactician behind an enemy bench could easily neuter our offense for 4 out of 7 games if the offense isn’t able to adapt.

At 5-on-5, Burns and Karlsson are 1st and 2nd among defensemen in individual shot attempts per 60. Yet they’re 89th and 162nd in goals per 60. This season, their shooting is not working; they are just not dangerous shooters from the point.

Karlsson is shooting way more than he ever has; he’s taking over 19 shot attempts per 60 and he previously hovered around 13-15 in every full season. Burns has cut his rate down to 19.5 when it was above 21.5 in the past two seasons but it’s still too high. Burns is 4th in league assists and Karlsson has finished 1st in the past. Burns showed exactly what his playmaking abilities are tonight on Thornton’s goal. The coaching staff needs to emphasize Burns pushing the play down low and creating offense through playmaking. When Karlsson gets back, the same must be done with him. That will prevent games like tonight from happening frequently.

Hertl and Meier have consistently shown up in these kinds of games and created a lot of offense, even when the team has struggled. That is very encouraging and makes me more optimistic about them as our guys up front going forward.

Speaking of Meier; not only does he have 60 points, but he has 50 even strength points in only 69 games. That even strength production is already 11th in franchise history. Thornton has scored over 50 ESP 8 times and holds the franchise record with 60 in 2006-2007. Marleau and Heatley with 54 and 51 in 2009-2010 are the only other Sharks to score over 50 even strength points. Hertl also has 49 in 67 games; both of them could potentially break a franchise record this season or next season if they play together.

Pretty much agree w/ all this. And wow, those EV #s are wild. They looked very good today as did Kane and Nyquist. That's a very good top line.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Pretty much agree w/ all this. And wow, those EV #s are wild. They looked very good today as did Kane and Nyquist. That's a very good top line.

The thing about the even strength numbers is this is a way higher scoring league at even strength. Meier is 26th in the league and Hertl is 28th in even strength points. Thornton was 9th, Marleau was 15th, and Heatley was 19th.

Kind of like last year’s Sharks setting a franchise record for even strength goals when they were 15th in the league lol.

 

[tiburon12]

Was flying during the game, can I request an objective summary?

 

[DG93]

Was flying during the game, can I request an objective summary?

 

[tiburon12]

I understand, fully

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Was flying during the game, can I request an objective summary?

Sharks controlled the play to a certain degree but most of their offense was cycling into point shots that mostly got blocked or missed the net. Nashville was opportunistic and created opportunities off of turnovers and kept the Sharks to the outside Martin Jones looked very bad on the 3rd goal but it’s fair to ask how much the goal was truly his fault and whether or not he could stop it. That goal is worth watching if nothing else because it’s probably the biggest point of contention and debate. Hertl and Meier looked good and it was a mixed bag from everybody else.

 

[Alwalys]

There better be some method to this madness, is all I'm saying. The 4th line being a potential mismatch but at least a match is super important to this team that lacks a super studly scoring 1st line.

We need to maximize our scoring depth and not apologize one bit for it.

 

[Alwalys]

Apparently you can add protecting the players from themselves to the list of Doug's duties.

Very captainly but we know he is trash.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

It’s okay, I just feel the need to pump the tires of those guys and what they did in those playoffs. The 2016 Predators aren’t very similar to the 2019 Predators anyhow. Sven in a down year, Subban showed tonight that he is so much better than Weber was at that point. There are other areas where their team has improved as well.

I agree with the gist of your post. This team has spurts of forcing point shots for an entire game and getting most of them blocked. The Burns point shot system is not dangerous anymore and I worry that a strong tactician behind an enemy bench could easily neuter our offense for 4 out of 7 games if the offense isn’t able to adapt.

At 5-on-5, Burns and Karlsson are 1st and 2nd among defensemen in individual shot attempts per 60. Yet they’re 89th and 162nd in goals per 60. This season, their shooting is not working; they are just not dangerous shooters from the point.

Karlsson is shooting way more than he ever has; he’s taking over 19 shot attempts per 60 and he previously hovered around 13-15 in every full season. Burns has cut his rate down to 19.5 when it was above 21.5 in the past two seasons but it’s still too high. Burns is 4th in league assists and Karlsson has finished 1st in the past. Burns showed exactly what his playmaking abilities are tonight on Thornton’s goal. The coaching staff needs to emphasize Burns pushing the play down low and creating offense through playmaking. When Karlsson gets back, the same must be done with him. That will prevent games like tonight from happening frequently.

Hertl and Meier have consistently shown up in these kinds of games and created a lot of offense, even when the team has struggled. That is very encouraging and makes me more optimistic about them as our guys up front going forward.

Speaking of Meier; not only does he have 60 points, but he has 50 even strength points in only 69 games. That even strength production is already 11th in franchise history. Thornton has scored over 50 ESP 8 times and holds the franchise record with 60 in 2006-2007. Marleau and Heatley with 54 and 51 in 2009-2010 are the only other Sharks to score over 50 even strength points. Hertl also has 49 in 67 games; both of them could potentially break a franchise record this season or next season if they play together.

What is Burns and EK65's assist rate? Doesn't matter as much what their goal rate is when the forward are scoring the way they are. I think that has to have something to do with those point shots creating tip and rebound opportunities right?

Unrelated but I wanted to say that after rewatching Meiers "diving" penalty I'm convinced he has a reputation. He gets that call more than any other Shark I can remember for a long time. There is no way that was a dive. He got forced off balance by the D-mans leg which caused him to fall. Total BS.

Sharks controlled the play to a certain degree but most of their offense was cycling into point shots that mostly got blocked or missed the net. Nashville was opportunistic and created opportunities off of turnovers and kept the Sharks to the outside Martin Jones looked very bad on the 3rd goal but it’s fair to ask how much the goal was truly his fault and whether or not he could stop it. That goal is worth watching if nothing else because it’s probably the biggest point of contention and debate. Hertl and Meier looked good and it was a mixed bag from everybody else.

I thought Kane looked really good especially considering the layoff. That line with him, Hertl and Nyquist is going to be dangerous if they get in sync. Best Nyqvist looked so far IMO the way he battled on the boards and was flying thru the neutral zone.

Vlasic and Jones will obviously be given a chance to bounce back because they’re basically immovable and have “earned” that right. As for Couture, I still cannot understand his thinking when he thought he needed to bulk up for this season. He has to work exclusively on maintaining his quickness and speed. Brute strength is not a part of his game.

They don't bulk up because they're trying to be brutes. They lose a ton of weight, typically muscle thru the season due to the playing schedule and the fact they can't work out and lift the same way they do in the offseason. Having bulk helps their body survive the physicality of a hitting game. Harder to separate your shoulder if those muscles are bigger than typical. They also work on their traps to minimize whiplash and concussions from hits. With Couture I'm not sure if he's slower because he's bulkier or if it's simply because the team in general is faster than it has been and he appears to be slower.

 

[Alwalys]

Just watched the Thornton goal. Man those are some special players. The hands on those guys! And Thornton is like the only guy that can actually catch and tame down a Burns bullet pass.

 

[OrrNumber4]

The Burns point shot system is not dangerous anymore and I worry that a strong tactician behind an enemy bench could easily neuter our offense for 4 out of 7 games if the offense isn’t able to adapt.

It's not so much the guy(s) behind the bench. This year's team has a ton of versatility. I have more confidence than ever that they can adapt. I do think that the return to the point-shot system in this game was due to it being available and Nashville dominating down low.

Speaking of Meier; not only does he have 60 points, but he has 50 even strength points in only 69 games. That even strength production is already 11th in franchise history. Thornton has scored over 50 ESP 8 times and holds the franchise record with 60 in 2006-2007. Marleau and Heatley with 54 and 51 in 2009-2010 are the only other Sharks to score over 50 even strength points. Hertl also has 49 in 67 games; both of them could potentially break a franchise record this season or next season if they play together.

Reinforces the idea that Meier is a better player now than Marleau ever was.

Regarding Meier's reputation as a diver, the ref had no choice. A Swiss-on-Swiss penalty had to result in a neutral effect.

 

[JeremyTB]

Sharks better be careful or Vegas might catch them. If Vegas beats the Oilers on Sunday and us on Monday(in regulation) they will only be 5 points back with the same amount of games and still one head to head game remaining.

 

[tiburon12]

Sharks controlled the play to a certain degree but most of their offense was cycling into point shots that mostly got blocked or missed the net. Nashville was opportunistic and created opportunities off of turnovers and kept the Sharks to the outside Martin Jones looked very bad on the 3rd goal but it’s fair to ask how much the goal was truly his fault and whether or not he could stop it. That goal is worth watching if nothing else because it’s probably the biggest point of contention and debate. Hertl and Meier looked good and it was a mixed bag from everybody else.

Thanks man. I'll catch the condensed game. I watched the first goal and was disappointed Meier stopped skating, was hoping that was not indicative of the game as a whole

 

[Agent Zub]

i wish i got to see the evolution of brent burns into an elite defenceman.

cuz damn what an incredible player holy

 

[TrappedInFullerton]

Losing Simek could be the death of this team... lol

 

[Barrie22]

Thornton should get an assist on his own goal my god that pass was sickening.

 

[Internazionale]

I wish the Haley experiment would just end already.

 

[drunksage]

SNOG announcement​

Slept after I got home, watched it this morning.

No SNOG.

Spoiler: First Half SNOG Results

#	Date / Opponent	SNOG Winner(s)​	Result
1	Oct. 3 vs Ducks	none	Ducks 5-2
2	Oct. 5 at Kings	PackShark, HOOCH2173, Herschel, Ol Dirty Pirate	Sharks 3-2 OT
3	Oct. 8 at Islanders	none	Islanders 4-0
4	Oct. 9 at Flyers	none	Sharks 8-2
5	Oct. 11 at Rangers	none	Rangers 3-2 OT
6	Oct. 14 at Devils	none	Devils 3-2
7	Oct. 18 vs Sabres	fasterthanlight	Sharks 5-1
8	Oct. 20 vs Islanders	BaileyMacTavish, Kcoyote3	Sharks 4-1
9	Oct. 23 at Predators	none	Sharks 5-4
10	Oct. 26 at Hurricanes	none	Hurricanes 4-3 SO
11	Oct. 28 at Ducks	none	Sharks 4-3 OT
12	Oct. 30 vs Rangers	none	Rangers 4-3 SO
13	Nov. 1 vs Blue Jackets	none	Blue Jackets 4-1
14	Nov. 3 vs Flyers	rangerssharks414	Sharks 4-3 OT
15	Nov. 6 vs Wild	FeedingFrenzy	Sharks 4-3
16	Nov. 8 at Stars	none	Stars 4-3
17	Nov. 9 at Blues	none	Blues 4-0
18	Nov. 11 vs Flames	none	Sharks 3-1
19	Nov. 13 vs Predators	none	Sharks 5-4
20	Nov. 15 vs Maple Leafs	none	Maple Leafs 5-3
21	Nov. 17 vs Blues	none	Sharks 4-0
22	Nov. 20 vs Oilers	none	Oilers 4-3 OT
23	Nov. 23 vs Canucks	none	Sharks 4-0
24	Nov. 24 at Golden Knights	none	Vegas 6-0
25	Nov. 27 at Sabres	SFtoBoston	Sabres 3-2 OT
26	Nov. 28 at Maple Leafs	none	Maple Leafs 5-3
27	Dec. 1 at Senators	none	Senators 6-2
28	Dec. 2 at Canadiens	none	Sharks 3-1
29	Dec. 5 vs Hurricanes	none	Sharks 5-1
30	Dec. 7 at Stars	SJSharksfan39	Stars 3-2
31	Dec. 8 at Coyotes	SJSharksfan39	Sharks 5-3
32	Dec. 10 vs Devils	Bizz, Tkachuk4MVP	Sharks 5-2
33	Dec. 13 vs Stars	HOOCH2173, Insignia	Sharks 3-2
34	Dec. 16 at Blackhawks	none	Sharks 7-3
35	Dec. 18 at Wild	none	Sharks 4-0
36	Dec. 20 vs Jets	none	Jets 5-3
37	Dec. 22 vs Kings	none	Kings 3-2 OT
38	Dec. 23 vs Coyotes	none	Coyotes 4-3 SO
39	Dec. 27 vs Ducks	socalsharksfan, Nolan11	Sharks 4-2
40	Dec. 29 at Oilers	none	Sharks 7-4
41	Dec. 31 at Flames	none	Flames 8-5

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Second Half SNOG Results:

#	Date / Opponent	SNOG Winner(s)​	Result
42	Jan. 2 at Avalanche	none	Sharks 5-4
43	Jan. 5 vs Lightning	none	Sharks 5-2
44	Jan. 7 vs Kings	socalsharksfan, seroes	Sharks 3-1
45	Jan. 8 vs Oilers	none	Sharks 7-2
46	Jan. 10 at Golden Knights	HOOCH2173	Sharks 3-2
47	Jan. 12 vs Senators	Insignia	Sharks 4-1
48	Jan. 15 vs Penguins	gaucholoco3	Sharks 5-2
49	Jan. 16 at Coyotes	none	Coyotes 6-3
50	Jan. 19 at Lightning	none	Lightning 6-3
51	Jan. 21 at Panthers	none	Panthers 6-2
52	Jan. 22 at Capitals	none	Sharks 7-6 OT
53	Feb. 2 vs Coyotes	LA Shark	Sharks 3-2 OT
54	Feb. 5 at Jets	HOOCH2173, socalsharksfan	Sharks 3-2 OT
55	Feb. 7 at Flames	TheUndertow40Six2	Sharks 5-2
56	Feb. 9 at Oilers	undercovernerd	Sharks 5-2
57	Feb. 11 at Canucks	none	Sharks 7-2
58	Feb. 14 vs Capitals	none	Capitals 5-1
59	Feb. 16 vs Canucks	none	Sharks 3-2
60	Feb. 18 vs Bruins	none	Bruins 6-5 OT
61	Feb. 21 at Penguins	Bizz	Sharks 4-0
62	Feb. 23 at Blue Jackets	none	Blue Jackets 4-0
63	Feb. 24 at Red Wings	LA Shark	Sharks 5-3
64	Feb. 26 at Bruins	none	Bruins 4-1
65	Mar. 1 vs Avalanche	LA Shark	Sharks 4-3
66	Mar. 3 vs Blackhawks	SharksFan17, nerdybeard	Sharks 5-2
67	Mar. 7 vs Canadiens	Ronnie Residue, undercovernerd	Sharks 5-2
68	Mar. 9 vs Blues	SFtoBoston	Sharks 3-2 OT
69	Mar. 11 at Wild	none	Sharks 3-0
70	Mar. 12 at Jets	Insignia	Sharks 5-4
71	Mar. 14 vs Panthers	none	Panthers 4-2
72	Mar. 16 vs Predators	none	Predators 4-2

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Rank	2018-19 SNOG standings​	# of SNOGs
1.	HOOCH2173	4
T-2.	Insignia, LA Shark, socalsharksfan	3
T-5.	Bizz, SFtoBoston, SJSharksfan39, undercovernerd	2
T-9.	BaileyMacTavish, fasterthanlight, FeedingFrenzy, gaucholoco3, Herschel, Kcoyote3, nerdybeard, Nolan11, Ol Dirty Pirate, PackShark, rangerssharks414, Ronnie Residue, seroes, SFtoBoston, SharksFan17, TheUndertow40Six2, Tkachuk4MVP	1

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