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Yeah, or at least in the group tomorrow. Things are salty on the prospects board. I love it.I'm expecting us to be the next on the list
Yeah, or at least in the group tomorrow. Things are salty on the prospects board. I love it.
Yeah, it’s a little weird. They’re too high on Timmins, Bowers and Kaut. If those 3 were Sharks’ prospects they’d all be in Norris territory.It’s hilarious how many people are big mad their team is ranked below ours. Avs fans especially.
Yeah, it’s a little weird. They’re too high on Timmins, Bowers and Kaut. If those 3 were Sharks’ prospects they’d all be in Norris territory.
Maybe because they got Bowers for Duchene? The Timmins stuff is odd, he, like Ferraro was super old for the draft.Yeah, the Shane Bowers love is baffling. He’s not that good. And apparently Timmins is a blue chip prospect.
Only saw him at Worlds and didn't do a ton for me, skill set looked average but I don't know incredibly well at this point
If only Roy didn't have these injury problems I think we'd even be higher. Merkley, Ferraro and a healthy Roy is a pretty damn good prospect trio for D. Maybe Roy finally gets some luck this year and stays healthy.
I guess it makes sense if he hasn't seen much of Suomela but including Praplan but not Suomela is crazy. Suomela scored way more points per game in a better league and they're the same age and size. I really don't see Praplan as a serious contender for a roster spot this year while Suomela definitely is.
Not to be that guy, but how much have you seen Suomela play?
I've only seen him play a couple World Championship games outside of highlight videos but I don't think that matters. I've never claimed to be a scout. But the fact is he led one of the better European leagues in scoring playing third line minutes and second unit power play while putting up terrific possession numbers. The odds of him succeeding at the NHL level are relatively high based on that, certainly higher than a player like Praplan.
Scouting is valuable but realistically no one watches more than a handful of games for most of these players, especially the ones playing overseas. I'll trust the numbers over a scout on this kind of European signing any day, especially in this case where Pronman openly admits he hasn't watched Suomela play. I have no issue with the rest of his rankings but this is clearly an oversight.
He had nothing but good things to say about himIt is a little disconcerting that Pronman didn't think very highly of Ferraro, considering he must often watch him play.
Using NHLe without watching a player is lazy. NHLe is absolutely no guarantee of anything. Some players are really well-suited to European leagues but are ineffective in North American leagues. Suomela could be great but merely stat-watching doesn’t mean much to me. Stats are fantastic in conjunction with scouting. Someone who admits to ignoring one or the other but makes claims like you do here doesn’t really hold a lot of water to me.
It is a little disconcerting that Pronman didn't think very highly of Ferraro, considering he must often watch him play.
Sure but on this particular player Pronman admitted to doing neither. I don't think it's a big deal and certainly the inclusion of Suomela wouldn't have moved the Sharks up the rankings but I think fans might be underrating his potential impact. Also it's largely guesswork as to which players' skills will translate from one league to another and which won't. I think Radil has an even higher NHLe than Suomela but I'm skeptical he'll be a NHL player just because his size will be less of a competitive advantage at the NHL level than it is in the KHL and his lack of footspeed is more likely to be exposed. But that's just me guessing. Suomela's statistical profile seems uniquely compelling to me - his points per 60 minutes were likely through the roof just knowing what we do about how he was used. I'd be considerably less excited about him if he scored the same number of points playing 20 minutes a game or whatever.
Also stats alone aren't going to tell you whether a guy will make it with anything approaching absolute certainty but I think you can pretty comfortably use stats to dismiss a player without watching them. Jake McGrew is a 5'10 winger who barely scored half a point per game in the WHL in his draft+1 year. No one with that kind of profile has ever made the NHL, I really don't understand what he's doing on this list. He's not even worth a contract slot at this point. Especially when John Leonard who scored nearly double the points per game in a much lower-scoring league at roughly the same age isn't on it.