Sharks new policy - no advertising of other entities (on tshrt, etc.) in Tank

[Dado]

There are are times professional sports really disgusts me. This is one of them.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Here's what I don't get (please enlighten me, someone). How is this free advertising for this dude? Doesn't he buy those seats behind the bench? Isn't he a season-ticket holder?

Anyway, I really hate what the team is doing from a philosophical point of view.

Are we going to get to the point where we actually have to THINK about what we wear, depending on what area of the arena you're sitting in?

 

[68 Z-28]

Here's what I don't get (please enlighten me, someone). How is this free advertising for this dude? Doesn't he buy those seats behind the bench? Isn't he a season-ticket holder?

He's a paying fan going to the game and advertising his business with his attire.

Anyway, I really hate what the team is doing from a philosophical point of view.

Are we going to get to the point where we actually have to THINK about what we wear, depending on what area of the arena you're sitting in?

Sure if you're wearing a shirt to 41 games a year that's designed to be seen on TV advertising a business that is not a corporate sponsor and take away from the paying sponsors.

 

[htpwn]

Y'know, "back in the day", Conn Smythe used to cruise through the lower bowl Reds' at Maple Leaf Gardens in his spats & White Fedora looking for any patrons who were not dressed to his strict "Code". That would include a shirt, tie, blazer or suit jacket. Not to be removed for any reason whatsoever. If you were in any way sartorially challenged, perhaps an overly loud glen check or houndstooth, or God Forbid smelled of so much as a drop of Whiskey, you Sir would be escorted from the premises & right out into the freezing cold of Carlton Street. Seasons Tickets revoked. Persona non grata.

What have you people done to this league?.

It is said that the crime dropped drastically during and after the games that Smythe made his rounds.

 

[RTN]

Sure if you're wearing a shirt to 41 games a year that's designed to be seen on TV advertising a business that is not a corporate sponsor and take away from the paying sponsors.

Well, it's not like they have to show him on TV. He's not exactly hacking into the TV feed and puting his ads in.

 

[68 Z-28]

Well, it's not like they have to show him on TV. He's not exactly hacking into the TV feed and puting his ads in.

OK. Let's not ever show a shot of the home teams players or coach on the bench and don't ever let the camera pan across center ice.

 

[RTN]

OK. Let's not ever show a shot of the home teams players or coach on the bench and don't ever let the camera pan across center ice.

I'm just saying it's there choice to do it. They seem to have no problem taking the guy's money for season tickets.

 

[Confucius]

Well, it's not like they have to show him on TV. He's not exactly hacking into the TV feed and puting his ads in.

I agree, the guy saw an opportunity and he exploited it. Now the team is whining.

 

[JayP812]

Although I've always hated seeing the people in the Bad Boys shirts and their goofy outfits, this is just wrong. They paid good money for very expensive seats, they should be able to wear what they want, within reason of course. It's not like the Sharks are a competing company with a bail bonds business. They have the right to advertise themselves.

 

[cbcwpg]

While I understand the Sharks point in that this person is advertising for his own benefit by wearing what he wears, from a technical point of view, this is no different than someone wearing a T-shirt with a Burger King logo on it to all the home games, when they have no ties to Burger King. Its free advertising either way.

This is a slipperly slope for sure. Most clubs have rules written into thier STH agreements in regards to behavior, etc. etc. and these are fairly open ended ( ie. Basically the club can revoke your STs because they don't like you ), so I would say the club should have approached this guy and said that we don't like the way you are dressed, and work something out.

The problem is... this is the team vs. the guy. Now it would be different if everyone who sits around this guy sent a corespondence to the club saying they find this persons' attire offensive. Then the club would be justified in doing something.

We will have to see what happens.

 

[Ruslan Zainullin]

honestly i get both sides of this. the bail bondsman is taking advantage of the san jose sharks notoriety and exposure without compensating them for the use of their notoriety and exposure, and that is abusing the system to a degree (the purchase of season tickets does not entitle you to anything more than the tickets to the games). on the flip side unless you are wearing a t shirt that is deemed offensive or obscene you have the right to wear what you want in public.

sounds like the answer to this is whether the hp pavilion is public or private property. if its private they probably have the right to dictate attire the same way a golf club may say no t shirts and jeans. also factoring into this could be that the guy may have wanted (or still wants) to advertise through the team legitimately but does not run the kind of business the sharks want to associate with and as such that avenue is closed to him. i have no evidence to suggest this is the case im just throwing it out there as an idea.

 

[Confucius]

SJ did not see the value of the seat locations, too bad. Maybe if the guy didn't renew his season tickets the team would have sold the seats for their true value.

 

[Dado]

Now that the guy is on the radar, he should just sell himself as a walking product placement on the open market. Different corporate tshirt every game.

Good luck policing that...

The whole thing Is ridiculous. The team is gaining benefit from crowd shots (or they wouldn't do it) and the dude has every right to wear anything that isn't offensive.

 

[RTN]

honestly i get both sides of this. the bail bondsman is taking advantage of the san jose sharks notoriety and exposure without compensating them for the use of their notoriety and exposure, and that is abusing the system to a degree (the purchase of season tickets does not entitle you to anything more than the tickets to the games). on the flip side unless you are wearing a t shirt that is deemed offensive or obscene you have the right to wear what you want in public.

sounds like the answer to this is whether the hp pavilion is public or private property. if its private they probably have the right to dictate attire the same way a golf club may say no t shirts and jeans. also factoring into this could be that the guy may have wanted (or still wants) to advertise through the team legitimately but does not run the kind of business the sharks want to associate with and as such that avenue is closed to him. i have no evidence to suggest this is the case im just throwing it out there as an idea.

But golf clubs have the same rules for everyone. Today, almost all t-shirts are a walking advertisement. The Sharks seem to be singling out this one guy.

 

[rgb63]

The whole thing Is ridiculous. The team is gaining benefit from crowd shots (or they wouldn't do it) and the dude has every right to wear anything that isn't offensive.

What do you mean by crowd shots?

This is what we're talking about:

Bad Boys VIP behind the Sharks bench by mrsbond, on Flickr

 

[Ruslan Zainullin]

But golf clubs have the same rules for everyone. Today, almost all t-shirts are a walking advertisement. The Sharks seem to be singling out this one guy.

You are absolutely right, it does seem as though the Sharks are singling out this one guy. My suggestion is that it is possible that if the hp pavilion is a private facility they may be within their rights to single this one guy out. Like I said i don't know anything for sure but it is my suspicion that their lawyers have looked at the situation, figured out what the organization can and cannot do and the organization is acting accordingly.

I agree with your comment that the rules should be the same for everyone though, thats how the world should work.

 

[GiveAFlyingPuck]

Could technology, like the NFL's yellow first down line that is superimposed on the field, be used to obscure the offending unpaid advertisements? Or would that be cost prohibitive?

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Could technology, like the NFL's yellow first down line that is superimposed on the field, be used to obscure the offending unpaid advertisements? Or would that be cost prohibitive?

Yeah, I suppose they could impose an ad similar to what they oppose on the glass behind the net. However, they wouldn't stop seeing it within the arena.

 

[Duskog]

If someone is paying 7k a year for season tickets, I think they should probably have the right to wear whatever they'd like... I also didn't realize at first he use to pay ten times that for official signage, but t-shirts are not banner ads across the boards. Besides, how he is detracting from Porsche's advertising revenue... I don't think Porsche is going to lose any business because someone sees a t-shirt for a bail bonds firm behind McLellan.

 

[kdb209]

From the back of the Sharks Season Tickets:

THIS TICKET IS A REVOCABLE LICENSE AND MANAGEMENT RESERVES THE RIGHT, WITHOUT REFUND OF ANY PORTION OF THE TICKET PURCHASE PRICE, TO REFUSE ADMISSION OR EJECT ANY PERSON WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY THE POLICIES OF HP PAVILION AND THE INSTRUCTIONS OF HP PAVILION PERSONNEL. SUCH POLICIES INCLUDE THE PROHIBITION OF USING ADMISSION TO GENERATE PUBLICITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROMOTING AND/OR MARKETING OTHER ENTITIES, EVENTS, OR PERSONALITIES WITHOUT THE PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE SAN JOSE SHARKS. FOR FULL TERMS AND CONDITIONS VISIT SEASON TICKET HOLDER LOCKER ROOM AT SJSHARKS.COM. THIS TICKET MAY NOT BE RESOLD OR OFFERED FOR RESALE IN A MANNER OR AT A PRICE IN VIOLATION OF ANY FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL LAW OR REGULATION.

Compare to the disclaimer on last season's Season Tickets:

THIS TICKET IS A REVOCABLE LICENSE AND MANAGEMENT RESERVES THE RIGHT, WITHOUT REFUND OF ANY PORTION OF THE TICKET PURCHASE PRICE, TO REFUSE ADMISSION OR EJECT ANY PERSON WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY THE POLICIES OF HP PAVILION AND THE INSTRUCTIONS OF HP PAVILION PERSONNEL. FOR FULL TERMS AND CONDITIONS VISIT SEASON TICKET HOLDER LOCKER ROOM AT SJSHARKS.COM. THIS TICKET MAY NOT BE RESOLD OR OFFERED FOR RESALE IN A MANNER OR AT A PRICE IN VIOLATION OF ANY FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL LAW OR REGULATION.

 

[Dado]

According to that, I can't bring a new hottie on a date to the game if the intent is to promote me into her, ah, good graces.

 

[Fehr Time*]

According to that, I can't bring a new hottie on a date to the game if the intent is to promote me into her, ah, good graces.

Haha, well played.

 

[GordonGraham]

That reminds me when there was the big wwf vs wcw war in that late 90's everytime i went to wwf tv/ppv event(i always had seats in the first couple of row) i made sure to always wear a wcw shirt and on every single occasion they either offered me a free wwf to put over my wcw shirt or they offered a signed 8x10 to turn my shirt inside out

 

[DeathToAllButMetal]

Idiotic. And they could just have the home cameras not show Mclellan. Problem solved. You get into tricky issues by restricting dress like this. So, it'd be cool to wear those shirts in the nosebleeds, but not in the front row? Uh, it doesn't work like that, guys. They either go with a blanket policy for all or none, or they'll get in trouble if this gets to a courtroom.

 

[Killion]

What do you mean by crowd shots?

This is what we're talking about:

Bad Boys VIP behind the Sharks bench by mrsbond, on Flickr

Exactly. Right behind the bench. Painted faces & fluorescent t-shirts. These arent' a couple of college kids or pranksters like The Green Men. Their actions are deliberate. Subterfuge. Obviously they are genuinely fans, and thats great, but c'mon here, theres a time and a place for everything and you shouldnt be allowed to end-run advertising & merchandising rights held by a team in or even around the building.These guys are just pirates plain n' simple. Im sure their terrific at their jobs n' all, grabbing jumpers who have fled out of their jurisdiction, just grabbing them off the streets of Peurto Vallarta or wherever, trussing them up & throwing them into the trunks of their cars, but this?. No thanks.