GDT: Sharks @ Minnesota 5pm PST

[LA Shark]

Vlasic was named 1st star.

 

[WSS11]

They both average significantly less time in the situation and it's not just time overall that matters here. It's level of competition. Dillon and Simek do not see top PP's far more often than not. They would be vastly out of their element putting one of them out there with Vlasic on their off-side. I do not value Vlasic's 'comfort' with Heed nor Karlsson's with Dillon because I don't believe that it is somehow not transferable to other partners. Vlasic-Karlsson doesn't need testing again. It's a damn good pairing that people here still won't let go the early hiccups. The most effective d-pairing deployments has been Vlasic-Karlsson and Dillon-Braun. Heed hasn't done enough to warrant a spot in the lineup over Braun at this point. He's been hot the past couple weeks but that's not good enough and we know the points streak isn't mostly to do with Heed's abilities. Most of his points are just lucky points like Vlasic got in his career year.

Lucky points? Alright, I’m done lol. You’ll die on your hill and I’ll do the same

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Roll with:

Vlasic-Braun as the shutdown pair
Dillon-Karlsson
Simek-Heed

Burns on the wing

Okay but hold on a second...Meier-Hertl-Burns in front of Dillon-Karlsson doesn’t sound that bad...

 

[LA Shark]

Okay but hold on a second...Meier-Hertl-Burns in front of Dillon-Karlsson doesn’t sound that bad...

That would be incredibly fun to watch

 

[rangerssharks414]

Okay but hold on a second...Meier-Hertl-Burns in front of Dillon-Karlsson doesn’t sound that bad...

Let's not give Pete any ideas.

 

[Bleedred]

Pretty crucial victory, considering Calgary's softball schedule the next two games.

Hopefully we're in the early stages of a Jones hot streak that lasts until roughly the second week of June.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Lucky points? Alright, I’m done lol. You’ll die on your hill and I’ll do the same

It's not about dying on a hill. It's merely conveying what I see. Are you seriously going to credit Heed for a basic d-to-d pass for an assist? Or the assist against the Blues that he got for shooting the puck and it ricocheting right to Thornton to set up Meier? The two assists against Chicago? A basic pass to Hertl who makes the play. The second assist was definitely a skill play on Heed's part. That was a good shot shooting for Meier's stick. His goal against Detroit was a lucky deflection in front on an otherwise weak pass attempt. Heed's assist against Washington was a pretty routine pass through the neutral zone. The one in Vancouver was another basic d-to-d pass for a shot deflected by Pavs. That's his seven points in eight games right there while averaging about 15 minutes per game. They're going to need more out of that spot in the lineup if they expect to maintain their other players without gassing them or putting them at higher injury risk.

 

[WSS11]

It's not about dying on a hill. It's merely conveying what I see. Are you seriously going to credit Heed for a basic d-to-d pass for an assist? Or the assist against the Blues that he got for shooting the puck and it ricocheting right to Thornton to set up Meier? The two assists against Chicago? A basic pass to Hertl who makes the play. The second assist was definitely a skill play on Heed's part. That was a good shot shooting for Meier's stick. His goal against Detroit was a lucky deflection in front on an otherwise weak pass attempt. Heed's assist against Washington was a pretty routine pass through the neutral zone. The one in Vancouver was another basic d-to-d pass for a shot deflected by Pavs. That's his seven points in eight games right there while averaging about 15 minutes per game. They're going to need more out of that spot in the lineup if they expect to maintain their other players without gassing them or putting them at higher injury risk.

Yes it is, because you and I are not seeing it the same way which is fine. That “basic pass”to Hertl was a pretty damn good heads up play while Chicago was on a change. Those shots going in mean he’s getting pucks through.. it may not be sustainable but he’s doing significantly more than Vlasic and Braun offensively. Watching Braun, he looks like he’s skating with a grand piano on his back, he’s not strong on the puck, he cant make an outlet pass, and he’s turning it over in the Dzone on a regular basis. If he was J. Ryan playing like this he’d be benched. Hell, the reason he’s good on the PK is because he still has good positioning and he can rip it down the ice without consequence. With Braun scratched, every pairing has a quality PMD which I value more than you. Nothing more to argue.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yes it is, because you and I are not seeing it the same way which is fine. That “basic pass”to Hertl was a pretty damn good heads up play while Chicago was on a change. Those shots going in mean he’s getting pucks through.. it may not be sustainable but he’s doing significantly more than Vlasic and Braun offensively. Watching Braun, he looks like he’s skating with a grand piano on his back, he’s not strong on the puck, he cant make an outlet pass, and he’s turning it over in the Dzone on a regular basis. If he was J. Ryan playing like this he’d be benched. Hell, the reason he’s good on the PK is because he still has good positioning and he can rip it down the ice without consequence. With Braun scratched, every pairing has a quality PMD which I value more than you. Nothing more to argue.

But it's a play that everyone in the NHL in that spot is going to make. I'm not worried about Vlasic and Braun's offense. I'm worried about the team's defense that if you take Braun out for Heed, you're leaving a massive hole in the PK that cannot be filled by anyone other than Burns and Karlsson and also in defensive situations late in games. It's also going to hurt in general just in how DeBoer uses Heed. In order to maximize what you're going to get out of Burns and Karlsson, especially now that Karlsson has a tender groin, is to be able to count on someone to step in for 20 minutes and take the defensive pressure off of them so they can do their thing offensively.

And no, if Braun was Ryan he wouldn't be benched because while he has his problems with the puck, it is exaggerated on these boards and not nearly enough to override the fact that he's playing very well defensively. You are completely dismissing how good Braun is defensively because the negatives about him standout in your head.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that if Heed is in the lineup for the playoffs, that 15 minutes a game he's getting now is going to be cut to 10 or 12 and that's going to have lasting impact on the top guys and wear them out.

 

[KirbyDots]

Vlasic was named 1st star.

 

[WSS11]

But it's a play that everyone in the NHL in that spot is going to make. I'm not worried about Vlasic and Braun's offense. I'm worried about the team's defense that if you take Braun out for Heed, you're leaving a massive hole in the PK that cannot be filled by anyone other than Burns and Karlsson and also in defensive situations late in games. It's also going to hurt in general just in how DeBoer uses Heed. In order to maximize what you're going to get out of Burns and Karlsson, especially now that Karlsson has a tender groin, is to be able to count on someone to step in for 20 minutes and take the defensive pressure off of them so they can do their thing offensively.

And no, if Braun was Ryan he wouldn't be benched because while he has his problems with the puck, it is exaggerated on these boards and not nearly enough to override the fact that he's playing very well defensively. You are completely dismissing how good Braun is defensively because the negatives about him standout in your head.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that if Heed is in the lineup for the playoffs, that 15 minutes a game he's getting now is going to be cut to 10 or 12 and that's going to have lasting impact on the top guys and wear them out.

No I just disagree that he’s playing well defensively as do others on the board. I have no bias against Braun. I just know those defensive zone turnovers can determine a playoff series and I value Heed’s ability to get the puck out of the zone effectively more than Braun on the PK. I also don’t see any limitations in Heed’s defensive game. I think you’re just manufacturing the image of him being purely an offensive specialist to further your argument for Braun. Vlasic and Braun have clearly lost a step or two and it shows. Also, if he did go from 15 to 12 minutes which you’re assuming being that Deboer hasn’t shortened the bench with his d pairings at all with Heed, that’s only about an extra shift each for the other 5 dmen. Not a huge deal except for maybe EK65.

 

[Mafoofoo]

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[Jargon]

Sharks played some great defense this game. Even when they had chances, someone would be there, getting a stick on the puck. It made the game horribly boring, but good to see they can still play defense.

Also, Hertl is so confident right now, he dekes through players and goalies almost every game, it's REALLY fun to watch. As is the Thornton line. As is everyone, frankly. I just want my EKs back so we could have a fully healthy lineup and oh my god did EK65 blame his groin pull on EK9 who was so upset about it his heart broke and that's why they're both out?!?!

 

[Sharksfan83]

Dell has to play tomorrow. We can't go into the playoffs with our backup goalie who hasn't started for 2 months.

 

[Bleedred]

Dell has to play tomorrow. We can't go into the playoffs with our backup goalie who hasn't started for 2 months.

I don't care so much about the backup goalie not starting for 2 months, as much as there's no need to play Jones so many games. Let Dell play in the back to back.

You gotta play your backup sometimes before the year ends.

 

[Bleedred]

I think the one save I noticed Jones make that seems to be a goal at least half the time on him was that save on Donato about a minute before the Couture penalty shot goal. He made a pretty good save on Donato, because he had his angle down perfectly. That shot goes flying past his glove and into the top corner at least half the time this year.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

No I just disagree that he’s playing well defensively as do others on the board. I have no bias against Braun. I just know those defensive zone turnovers can determine a playoff series and I value Heed’s ability to get the puck out of the zone effectively more than Braun on the PK. I also don’t see any limitations in Heed’s defensive game. I think you’re just manufacturing the image of him being purely an offensive specialist to further your argument for Braun. Vlasic and Braun have clearly lost a step or two and it shows. Also, if he did go from 15 to 12 minutes which you’re assuming being that Deboer hasn’t shortened the bench with his d pairings at all with Heed, that’s only about an extra shift each for the other 5 dmen. Not a huge deal except for maybe EK65.

I think most here conflate his puck play with his defensive play because his defensive play is more than fine. Heed has that ability against sheltered competition. Braun is seeing tougher competition regularly especially when he's in there specifically in defensive situations. I see no evidence to support that his defensive play outside of the puck play is bad. As for Heed, there is plenty of limitations to his defensive game. The idea that he's anything but an offensive specialist is not born out by anything he's shown on the ice. He gets beat to a lot of 50-50 pucks that Braun tends to win because Heed is slower. He gets outmuscled regularly because he's smaller. Braun's board play is significantly better and he's better at boxing out. Heed is less than nothing special defensively right now.

As for the idea that it's not a big deal, you're wrong because that's not how that gets spread out. If Heed is in the lineup, his shifts when he gets benched are taken by Burns and Karlsson...not all the other five d-men.

 

[KirbyDots]

It’s been ages since I’ve seeb this image

Does not get much use these days.

 

[WSS11]

I think most here conflate his puck play with his defensive play because his defensive play is more than fine. Heed has that ability against sheltered competition. Braun is seeing tougher competition regularly especially when he's in there specifically in defensive situations. I see no evidence to support that his defensive play outside of the puck play is bad. As for Heed, there is plenty of limitations to his defensive game. The idea that he's anything but an offensive specialist is not born out by anything he's shown on the ice. He gets beat to a lot of 50-50 pucks that Braun tends to win because Heed is slower. He gets outmuscled regularly because he's smaller. Braun's board play is significantly better and he's better at boxing out. Heed is less than nothing special defensively right now.

As for the idea that it's not a big deal, you're wrong because that's not how that gets spread out. If Heed is in the lineup, his shifts when he gets benched are taken by Burns and Karlsson...not all the other five d-men.

Braun faster than Heed? Seriously? Lmao, this could go all night and it wouldn’t move the needle on either side. Goodnight

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

By the way, since their system change on 12/2/2018, the Sharks have 30 ROW.

Tampa has 29.

 

[hohosaregood]

Timo and Tomas were pretty dynamite on that 2nd goal. Almost like TnT.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Braun faster than Heed? Seriously? Lmao, this could go all night and it wouldn’t move the needle on either side. Goodnight

Um yeah...Braun is clearly faster than Heed from a skating perspective. Like that's not really debateable.

 

[drunksage]

SNOG announcement​

Beer thing. Was a bit busy at work and didn't post in advance about the delay.

Anyway, with no SNOG tonight, yet another SNOG streak ends at 4. We still collectively have a chance at 5, but the season is quickly drawing to a close.

Spoiler: First Half SNOG Results

#	Date / Opponent	SNOG Winner(s)​	Result
1	Oct. 3 vs Ducks	none	Ducks 5-2
2	Oct. 5 at Kings	PackShark, HOOCH2173, Herschel, Ol Dirty Pirate	Sharks 3-2 OT
3	Oct. 8 at Islanders	none	Islanders 4-0
4	Oct. 9 at Flyers	none	Sharks 8-2
5	Oct. 11 at Rangers	none	Rangers 3-2 OT
6	Oct. 14 at Devils	none	Devils 3-2
7	Oct. 18 vs Sabres	fasterthanlight	Sharks 5-1
8	Oct. 20 vs Islanders	BaileyMacTavish, Kcoyote3	Sharks 4-1
9	Oct. 23 at Predators	none	Sharks 5-4
10	Oct. 26 at Hurricanes	none	Hurricanes 4-3 SO
11	Oct. 28 at Ducks	none	Sharks 4-3 OT
12	Oct. 30 vs Rangers	none	Rangers 4-3 SO
13	Nov. 1 vs Blue Jackets	none	Blue Jackets 4-1
14	Nov. 3 vs Flyers	rangerssharks414	Sharks 4-3 OT
15	Nov. 6 vs Wild	FeedingFrenzy	Sharks 4-3
16	Nov. 8 at Stars	none	Stars 4-3
17	Nov. 9 at Blues	none	Blues 4-0
18	Nov. 11 vs Flames	none	Sharks 3-1
19	Nov. 13 vs Predators	none	Sharks 5-4
20	Nov. 15 vs Maple Leafs	none	Maple Leafs 5-3
21	Nov. 17 vs Blues	none	Sharks 4-0
22	Nov. 20 vs Oilers	none	Oilers 4-3 OT
23	Nov. 23 vs Canucks	none	Sharks 4-0
24	Nov. 24 at Golden Knights	none	Vegas 6-0
25	Nov. 27 at Sabres	SFtoBoston	Sabres 3-2 OT
26	Nov. 28 at Maple Leafs	none	Maple Leafs 5-3
27	Dec. 1 at Senators	none	Senators 6-2
28	Dec. 2 at Canadiens	none	Sharks 3-1
29	Dec. 5 vs Hurricanes	none	Sharks 5-1
30	Dec. 7 at Stars	SJSharksfan39	Stars 3-2
31	Dec. 8 at Coyotes	SJSharksfan39	Sharks 5-3
32	Dec. 10 vs Devils	Bizz, Tkachuk4MVP	Sharks 5-2
33	Dec. 13 vs Stars	HOOCH2173, Insignia	Sharks 3-2
34	Dec. 16 at Blackhawks	none	Sharks 7-3
35	Dec. 18 at Wild	none	Sharks 4-0
36	Dec. 20 vs Jets	none	Jets 5-3
37	Dec. 22 vs Kings	none	Kings 3-2 OT
38	Dec. 23 vs Coyotes	none	Coyotes 4-3 SO
39	Dec. 27 vs Ducks	socalsharksfan, Nolan11	Sharks 4-2
40	Dec. 29 at Oilers	none	Sharks 7-4
41	Dec. 31 at Flames	none	Flames 8-5

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Second Half SNOG Results:

#	Date / Opponent	SNOG Winner(s)​	Result
42	Jan. 2 at Avalanche	none	Sharks 5-4
43	Jan. 5 vs Lightning	none	Sharks 5-2
44	Jan. 7 vs Kings	socalsharksfan, seroes	Sharks 3-1
45	Jan. 8 vs Oilers	none	Sharks 7-2
46	Jan. 10 at Golden Knights	HOOCH2173	Sharks 3-2
47	Jan. 12 vs Senators	Insignia	Sharks 4-1
48	Jan. 15 vs Penguins	gaucholoco3	Sharks 5-2
49	Jan. 16 at Coyotes	none	Coyotes 6-3
50	Jan. 19 at Lightning	none	Lightning 6-3
51	Jan. 21 at Panthers	none	Panthers 6-2
52	Jan. 22 at Capitals	none	Sharks 7-6 OT
53	Feb. 2 vs Coyotes	LA Shark	Sharks 3-2 OT
54	Feb. 5 at Jets	HOOCH2173, socalsharksfan	Sharks 3-2 OT
55	Feb. 7 at Flames	TheUndertow40Six2	Sharks 5-2
56	Feb. 9 at Oilers	undercovernerd	Sharks 5-2
57	Feb. 11 at Canucks	none	Sharks 7-2
58	Feb. 14 vs Capitals	none	Capitals 5-1
59	Feb. 16 vs Canucks	none	Sharks 3-2
60	Feb. 18 vs Bruins	none	Bruins 6-5 OT
61	Feb. 21 at Penguins	Bizz	Sharks 4-0
62	Feb. 23 at Blue Jackets	none	Blue Jackets 4-0
63	Feb. 24 at Red Wings	LA Shark	Sharks 5-3
64	Feb. 26 at Bruins	none	Bruins 4-1
65	Mar. 1 vs Avalanche	LA Shark	Sharks 4-3
66	Mar. 3 vs Blackhawks	SharksFan17, nerdybeard	Sharks 5-2
67	Mar. 7 vs Canadiens	Ronnie Residue, undercovernerd	Sharks 5-2
68	Mar. 9 vs Blues	SFtoBoston	Sharks 3-2 OT
69	Mar. 11 at Wild	none	Sharks 3-0

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Rank	2018-19 SNOG standings​	# of SNOGs
1.	HOOCH2173	4
T-2.	LA Shark, socalsharksfan	3
T-4.	Bizz, Insignia, SFtoBoston, SJSharksfan39, undercovernerd	2
T-9.	BaileyMacTavish, fasterthanlight, FeedingFrenzy, gaucholoco3, Herschel, Kcoyote3, nerdybeard, Nolan11, Ol Dirty Pirate, PackShark, rangerssharks414, Ronnie Residue, seroes, SFtoBoston, SharksFan17, TheUndertow40Six2, Tkachuk4MVP	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Timo and Tomas were pretty dynamite on that 2nd goal. Almost like TnT.

Nyquist starts with an N and he got the secondary assist. That’s the perfect line name. DeBoer has no excuses not to put them together now.

 

[Alwalys]

By the way, since their system change on 12/2/2018, the Sharks have 30 ROW.

Tampa has 29.

dat december system change doe
is that a deboer special?