I too think it's more thank likely that the CAP approaches 82 million next year. I think you can afford to pay Nylander 7, Marner 8.5 and Matthews 10.5... Worst case scenario, it costs you a couple assets to move the last year of Marleau's 6.25 million. Let's face it, I love the guy, but he has posted 3 straight seasons under 50 points, while playing 82 games in each season. I think you could get 85% of that out of someone else, at half of that cap hit. Toronto is going to score plenty. Matthews and Nylander are going up in production as they develop, regardless who is on their wing (they were studs with Zach friggen Hyman). The same is true with Marner and Tavares. Anybody with decent top 9 skill, who can skate, is going to be productive on that line... For me, assuming an $82 million cap next year, the roster ought to feature no fewer than 3 forwards, possibly 4, on their ELC deals, a re-signed Gardiner at $6.5 (using Marleau's money) and there is still enough to give Matthews $10, Marner $8, and Nylander $7.... It's tight, but I ran the numbers twice, including small raises to others who are up for one, and a younger version of Hainsey on a $3.5 million deal or less, and I made it in just under $82.
It could work depending on where the cap is next season:
Tavares - 11
Matthews - 10
Marner - 9
Nylander - 8
Kadri - 4.5
Hyman - 2.25
Brown - 2.1
Marleau - 6,250
Kapanen - 1.5m
Johnsson - 1.5m
X - 800K
X - 800K
$57,700,000
Rielly - 5
Zaitsev - 4.5
Gardiner - 6.5
Ozhiganov - 1.5m
Dermott - 863,333
X - 800K
$18,663,333
Andersen: 5
X - 800K
$5,800,000
Total: $82,663,333
Marleau, Hyman, and Brown would be the obvious places where salary can be cut.
... not sure it was a good idea to make it public that you want players to take a discount. It’s ok to think it, negotiate it through your contract offers but say it publically?
Maybe they should’ve used William as an example and traded him to Winnipeg. “Enjoy little to no endorsement deals, and the small frigid city of Winnipeg...”
... would Marner have the red bull hat on in the dressing room if he played for Winnipeg... or have his insurance gig?
Don’t get me wrong Im not saying low ball them. Find somewhere between low ball and Dave Nonis and call it a good day.
It's pretty clear that TOR is moving away from Nylander. Shanny is starting a subtle propaganda construction.
lol Matthews basically told shanahan to F off there.
Rightfully so. Don't mess around with Matthews contract Dubas. Pay the dude or gtfo and let someone else pay him.
It could work depending on where the cap is next season:
Tavares - 11
Matthews - 10
Marner - 9
Nylander - 8
Marleau, Hyman, and Brown would be the obvious places where salary can be cut.
If it happens it happens. I'd rather trade Nylander than give him ~7M. That's head and shoulders above his comparables. It's one thing to be on the high end of the spectrum (e.g. 6.5M), it's another to just blow his comparables out of the water and write blank cheques. It sets a really bad tone, which would then impact Marner/Matthews negotiations as well.
I don't see him getting traded this year though. I think there are two main possibilities:
1) he signs a long-term deal (and is likely to stay for most/all of it)
2) he signs a bridge contract (and is more likely than not traded before he gets his big raise in a few years)
Either way, I'd be surprised if he wasn't signed within a week or so.
Yep.
While most signs clearly point to a compromise being worked out on a deal (both sides want long term and according to last night don’t seem THAT far apart in terms of aav) - if no compromise can be met they’ll just sign a bridge deal.
Trading Nylander now is a sure formula for bringing back a subpar return. Look at Yzerman and Drouin (not that I think the situations are similar), he refused to move the player until he felt he was back in a position of strength.
What was interesting was the backlash Shanny got from a fair amount of the media last night - ie they usually tend to take a fairly consistent “pro management” POV when reporting stories.
if no compromise can be met they’ll just sign a bridge deal.
you need cap space to retaliate , we won't have any for yearsIf there ever was a chance for an offer sheet, nows the time. With his statement Shanahan has basically put the option out there without fear of future retaliation ... I think.
Shanahan is such a hypocrite. He didn't take the offer in New Jersey because he thought it wasn't enough. He went to St. Louis and Scott Stevens ended up in Jersey to win cups. Hometown discount...why would Nylander or for that matter, Matthews give a hometown discount when they're not from Toronto. Shanahan has a very select memory. He should just sit in his office and be quite about contracts.... not sure it was a good idea to make it public that you want players to take a discount. It’s ok to think it, negotiate it through your contract offers but say it publically?
Maybe they should’ve used William as an example and traded him to Winnipeg. “Enjoy little to no endorsement deals, and the small frigid city of Winnipeg...”
... would Marner have the red bull hat on in the dressing room if he played for Winnipeg... or have his insurance gig?
Don’t get me wrong Im not saying low ball them. Find somewhere between low ball and Dave Nonis and call it a good day.
Shanahan is such a hypocrite. He didn't take the offer in New Jersey because he thought it wasn't enough. He went to St. Louis and Scott Stevens ended up in Jersey to win cups. Hometown discount...why would Nylander or for that matter, Matthews give a hometown discount when they're not from Toronto. Shanahan has a very select memory. He should just sit in his office and be quite about contracts.