Sportsnet: Shanaplan Phase 2

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  1. PromisedLand

    PromisedLand <-----#34, #91, #43-----> "THE TRIFECTA"

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  2. Antropovsky

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    ... not sure it was a good idea to make it public that you want players to take a discount. It’s ok to think it, negotiate it through your contract offers but say it publically?

    Maybe they should’ve used William as an example and traded him to Winnipeg. “Enjoy little to no endorsement deals, and the small frigid city of Winnipeg...”

    ... would Marner have the red bull hat on in the dressing room if he played for Winnipeg... or have his insurance gig?

    Don’t get me wrong Im not saying low ball them. Find somewhere between low ball and Dave Nonis and call it a good day.
     
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  3. Maplebeasts

    Maplebeasts I See Demons!!!!!

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    So market value?
     
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    This is a mistake by shanny. Not seeing why he would do this.
     
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    Tough call I guess. I’m a bit surprised that Nylander only wants 6.7. Much more reasonable then I expected.
     
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    It could work depending on where the cap is next season:

    Tavares - 11
    Matthews - 10
    Marner - 9
    Nylander - 8

    Kadri - 4.5
    Hyman - 2.25
    Brown - 2.1
    Marleau - 6,250
    Kapanen - 1.5m
    Johnsson - 1.5m
    X - 800K
    X - 800K
    $57,700,000

    Rielly - 5
    Zaitsev - 4.5
    Gardiner - 6.5
    Ozhiganov - 1.5m
    Dermott - 863,333
    X - 800K
    $18,663,333

    Andersen: 5
    X - 800K
    $5,800,000

    Total: $82,663,333

    Marleau, Hyman, and Brown would be the obvious places where salary can be cut.
     
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    Maplebeasts I See Demons!!!!!

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    Yeah I'm not sure if that is actually the ask, but if it is a contract will most certainly get done soon enough.
     
  8. 4uston Matthews

    4uston Matthews "We can, and we will." - Biggest lie of 2018

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    Source? I think he would’ve been signed a long time ago if he was asking for 6.7
     
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    Sounds like his agent is putting that 6.7 number out there so fans dont turn on him.
     
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    Why should he make more than pastranak? I think 6.25 is fmv. Less than pasta more than ehlers. Plus playing in Toronto likely does offer him more endorsements revenue than the other players in his pay range.
     
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    If the difference is 500-750k they should just meet in the middle at 6.25-6.3 and get this over with.
     
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    Should be thankful coaches salaries are not part of the cap....
     
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    That's what I was thinking. Part of it might just be he didn't really choose his wording very carefully. When Dubas answers questions like this he focuses on the fact that it's up to him to sell the players on building a contender and always maintains that he wants players to sign "fair" deals. He makes it sound like a big happy family working together.

    Shanahan was sort of saying the same thing but much more bluntly and it comes off pretty poorly. Shanny sort of framed it as the players' onus to gift them a discount whereas Dubas usually frames it as the team's job to sell them that vision.
     
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    Although pasta is better have to count for cap inflation.

    I think the biggest reason Nylander agent/ Nylander are holding out is cause they know Marner and Matthews are gonna get paid. Reasonably so but I don't think they see it as that.
     
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    Nylander not getting 8 and Matthews is getting more then 10. Also I highly doubt we keep gards at 6.5.
     
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    As a strategy it makes sense. Get a young core in a stay competitive for nearly the next decade.

    I’m not so sure I’d agree with a public statement like that. Seems like an unnecessary risk that could backfire.
     
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    It’s likely a fair guess.

    If Nylander’s agent thinks Matthews may try and push for 12 million he may not want his client getting near 50% less
     
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    Yeah pretty much.
     
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    Good job with the numbers

    You missed Phil Kessel though
    Also I think Kapanen and Johnsson would probably get more than 1.5, they are keepers. So just with that you could be off by 4 or 5 million.

    Nylander gets 6.25ish and Matthew's will probably get 11

    In the end I doubt we will keep Gard.
     
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    I too think it's more thank likely that the CAP approaches 82 million next year. I think you can afford to pay Nylander 7, Marner 8.5 and Matthews 10.5... Worst case scenario, it costs you a couple assets to move the last year of Marleau's 6.25 million. Let's face it, I love the guy, but he has posted 3 straight seasons under 50 points, while playing 82 games in each season. I think you could get 85% of that out of someone else, at half of that cap hit. Toronto is going to score plenty. Matthews and Nylander are going up in production as they develop, regardless who is on their wing (they were studs with Zach friggen Hyman). The same is true with Marner and Tavares. Anybody with decent top 9 skill, who can skate, is going to be productive on that line... For me, assuming an $82 million cap next year, the roster ought to feature no fewer than 3 forwards, possibly 4, on their ELC deals, a re-signed Gardiner at $6.5 (using Marleau's money) and there is still enough to give Matthews $10, Marner $8, and Nylander $7.... It's tight, but I ran the numbers twice, including small raises to others who are up for one, and a younger version of Hainsey on a $3.5 million deal or less, and I made it in just under $82.
     
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    Guess that's the plan and it's up to players to decide whether they want to be part of it or not. In a way, I find what the past Detroit teams did (take less to ice a better team) more impressive considering it was a non-cap era and there wasn't as strict of a budget with some teams. Impressive too that the current Nashville Predators only have Rinne with a NMC.
     
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  23. 4uston Matthews

    4uston Matthews "We can, and we will." - Biggest lie of 2018

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    Pastrnak signed for 6.667 before he had his breakout year, and not only that, but cap hit % for 6.667 in 2016 when he signed would be a lot higher than Nylander’s cap hit % today at 6.7
     
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    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    Detroit did it and won SC's and Shanny is right, they all did very well financially, could've made more in other places, but they are now immortal and get to wear the ring
     
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    Are you Nylander's agent or something? On what world is Nylander and his 61 point career high worth 8M, when all his comparable aged / comparably skilled RFAs have been signing long-term for <6.5M.
     

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