Serie A 2018/2019

[Corto]

Inter were really meh, and I don't really understand starting Politano and Cagliardi, they offer very little and won't make a difference in a game like this.

Politano's been okay, mostly. Though teams just sort of cheat to wherever Perisic is and a better player than Politano would be more effective.

Gagliardini... Him or Vecino, it's the same. Neither is top quality, both are fillers until Inter get a better midfielder at some point (maybe even winter).

 

[Power Man]

Ounas tho

 

[StevenF1919]

Ghoulam marks his return with 2 assists. When healthy, he's one of the best fullbacks in the world.

 

[Cassano]

Ghoulam marks his return with 2 assists. When healthy, he's one of the best fullbacks in the world.

@Power Man

 

[Juve]

Seriously Roma!?!

 

[StevenF1919]

Roma is a mess.

 

[Deficient Mode]

lol Roma. How.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

What were the three reds for? Were they related?

 

[koyvoo]

Crazy crazy finish

 

[Power Man]

@Power Man

 

[Power Man]

 

[spintheblackcircle]

 

[StevenF1919]

Meanwhile, teams like PSG and City can just pay UEFA officials off to avoid any sanctions.

 

[Evilo]

Meanwhile, teams like PSG and City can just pay UEFA officials off to avoid any sanctions.

Factually wrong.

 

[StevenF1919]

Factually wrong.

Yeah, because I'm sure senior UEFA officials covered up massive violations in FFP through inflated sponsorship deals for no reason whatsoever.

Teams like PSG and City play by different rules, and don't pretend that it's got nothing to do with shady backdoor deals.

 

[Evilo]

UEFA SAID at the time why they chose to send fines rather than suspend. You might want to learn about those deals before claiming there was a cheat. UEFA had no way to say a sponsorship deal isn't fair. It's obvious, but respond to zero law. So they told both teams they got the message it was wrong, gave them 5 years to get their sponsors to more decent levels and fined them in the mean time. THOSE are facts.

You deny Juve gave money to refs, which is factually proven (and judged in court), but say City and PSG gave "shady backdoor deals" to UEFA officials even though it's written nowhere.

Try to use logic.

 

[StevenF1919]

An independent group of experts hired by UEFA found that those sponsorship deals were inflated by 40-60x. Gianni Infantino (UEFA president at the time) personally stepped in to negotiate with the clubs behind the scenes, ensuring that they would avoid significant sanctions, and helped to cover up the true magnitude of the FFP violations.

Juventus didn't give money to refs. In fact, they were absolved of all wrongdoing regarding Calciopoli in court. To say otherwise is flat out wrong and a blatant lie. All transcripts of the phonecalls from Calciopoli are public and there is literally 0 evidence that Juventus or anyone affiliated with them bribed any refs or influenced refs in any way.

To say that PSG and City are not receiving preferential treatment is ridiculous, considering clubs from smaller countries like Turkey and Romania have been slammed with crippling sanctions, and clubs like Roma have been forced to sell off half their club to comply with the rules that the aforementioned teams frequently skirt.

 

[Evilo]

There's no behind the scene, it was stated at the time. Pay the fee rather than exclude them. It's been the case for plenty of teams.

As for Juve not doing anything, let's stop here. It's beyond ridiculous arguing about it.

 

[StevenF1919]

What about the investigation of PSG in 2017 that was terminated without reason? Or the fact that PSG and City's violations were so severe that they should have been expelled from European competition, like what happened to several teams from other countries?

And you're right, it's ridiculous to argue about calciopoli because Juve has been cleared of wrongdoing by a criminal court and several government investigations. The only place they were found guilty was the kangaroo court headed by a former Inter director who purposely withheld evidence.

 

[Evilo]

You continue to disregard how it all happenned.
The 2017 investigation ended in PSG having to sell for 60M in a month.
And they weren't expelled because they didn't spend more than they earned. This seems to escape you.

Only wrongdoing by those two teams was having major overpaid sponsors. And how do you prove a sponsor is paying too much?
EPL TV right are way too much. Does that mean it should count against EPL teams?
UEFA was in a new position where sponsorship deals were clearly a way to bend the rules.

It really has no comparison with the teams you point at.
So UEFA decided than instead of expelling those two teams (which would win in court because they NEVER spent more money than they earnt), they decided to fee them. It was made clear at the time.

 

[StevenF1919]

The only reason they didn't spend more money than they earned was because of sponsorship deals that were inflated by 40-60x their worth. Would Infantino personally intervene to help other teams? Do you think if a team like Roma did this that they would get off with some minuscule fines? It's clear that there are two tiers of teams when it comes to enforcing FFP, and the whole system ins fundamentally broken.

 

[Evilo]

Oh the whole system sucks, no doubt. And PSG and City explosed that. You get bogus sponsors and you're in the law.
That's the whole problem. UEFA can't legally prove it's a wrongdoing. They knew they'd get killed in court. That's why Infantino got the final word on this. So they fined them. Big time BTW.

Roma can't do that because they don't have those type of sponsors. Roma spent more than they earnt.

 

[StevenF1919]

A "big time" fine is nothing for their owners.

The whole system is broken and I don't blame PSG or City for exploiting it.

 

[Cassano]

Not sure why Wenger would want to work with this clown again.

They'll probably buy Ramsey as well if this goes through.

 

[StevenF1919]

Barf. No thanks to Wenger. I'm open to replacing Gattuso for someone like Conte though.