Line Combos: Sens True Depth Chart

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  1. SuperDuper101

    SuperDuper101 Registered User

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    This is where I believe the teams talent currently sits as of today. Players can grow going forward but this to me accurately reflects the now.

    1st Line: X - X - Ryan

    Between 1st and 2nd: Hoffman

    2nd Line: MacArthur - Turris - X

    Between 2nd and 3rd: X - Zibanejad - Stone

    Purgatory: Pageau, Chiasson.

    4th Line: Neil, Greening, Smith, Condra, Lazar

    Top Pairing: Methot, Karlsson
    Lower Tier 2nd Pairing: Cowen, Ceci

    Debatable NHL replacement Level: Everyone else.
     
  2. Do Make Say Think

    Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    Hoffman is a 2nd line player on his best days and those days are when he's playing with out best players

    He'll never be a top line guy

    Zibanejad however, he's looking like someone who will be a top line centre if all goes well
     
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    If you have guys like Zibanejad and Stone (50-55 pts guys soon) between your 2nd and 3rd line (meaning you have like 4-6 better forwards), you're easily a top contender...
     
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    Stone is a second liner
     
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    1st Line: X - X - Ryan

    2nd Line: Hoffman - Turris - Stone

    3rd Line: MacArthur - Zibanejad - Chiasson

    4th Line: Lazar - Pageau - Condra

    Top Pairing: Methot, Karlsson
    Lower Tier 2nd Pairing: Ceci
    Bottom pair: Boro, Cowen

    made some bold changes
    can switch hoff and mac i guess. it's the first line problem that is screwing everyone's position up.
     
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    He's 10th in the entire league in P/60, 2nd in G/60.

    I think it's fair to say he's at least a decent second line player.
     
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    1st liners : Ryan
    2nd liners: Turris, Zib, Stone, Mac, Hoffman
    3rd liners: Lazar(in the future), Smith, Michalek
    4th liners: Pageau, Condra, Legwand
    Not NHL Material: Neil

    Top Pairing : Karlsson
    Second Pairing : Methot, Ceci, Cowen(in the future)
    Third pairing : Boro, Wier, Gryba
    Not NHL Material: Phillips
     
  8. Othello*

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    1st line: Ryan
    2nd line: Turris,Stone,Hoff,Zib
    3rd line: Chia, Mac, Michalek
    4th line : Lazar, Pageau, Legwand, condra idk about smith tbh

    1st pair: karlsson
    2nd pair: Ceci, Methot
    3rd pair Cowen, Weircioch
    Not NHL caliber: Phillips, Gryba , Boro
     
  9. ReginKarlssonLehner

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    We need another pure top line winger and we needa pray Zibanejad develops into number 1 or 1B C which is not all that impossible and we're set on O.
     
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    As of today/ as of how they've played ...

    Where Individual Sens Forwards Should Play (In a Vacuum)
    [table="head;width=900]DEPTH|LW|C|RW
    1st LINE|N/A|N/A|Ryan
    2nd LINE|Hoffman, MacArthur (if he's slumping he's a 3rd liner, though)|Turris, Zibanejad|Stone
    3rd LINE|Michalek|Legwand|Chiasson (barely), Condra
    4th LINE|N/A|Lazar, Pageau|Neil (good version)
    PRESSBOX|Greening|Z.Smith|Neil (bad version)
    AHL|Greening, Prince, Puempel|D.Grant|Schneider
    [/table]

    Where Individual Sens Defencemen Should Play (In a Vacuum)
    [table="head;width=900]DEPTH|LD|RD
    1st PAIR|N/A|Karlsson
    2nd PAIR|Methot (elite 2nd pair)|Ceci
    3rd PAIR|Cowen, Phillips (good version), Borowiecki (barely)|N/A
    PRESSBOX|Weircioch, Phillips (bad version)|Gryba
    AHL|Claesson|Wideman
    [/table]
     
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  11. Vesa Awesaka

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    Perfect imo. Might be a little generous on Ceci but should we really expect him to be perfect in his role at this age? I like Legwand in his more defensive role on the forth line myself. Gets a lot of defensive assignment 5 v 5 yet is given opportunities to play pp. Seems great since he was mediocre 5 v 5 most the year but good 5 v 4. Might be able to say the same for Michalek.
     
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    First off, if Zibanejad can't play as our first line center then we either play him or Turris as the second line center and trade for a first line center. In my opinion, Hoffman can easily take the first line wing position.

    I would play Pageau third instead of Legwand and have Lazar and Stone/Chiasson.
     
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    The point of my list wasn't projecting the future, it was assessing the games played already this season, and attributing depth chart spots based on performance.
     
  14. WhiteLight*

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    1st liners : Ryan
    2nd liners: Turris, Zibanejad, Stone, MacArthur, Hoffman
    3rd liners: Legwand, Chiasson
    4th liners: Lazar, Pageau, Condra, Michalek, Smith
    Not NHL Material: Greening, Neil

    Top Pairing : Karlsson
    Second Pairing : Methot, Ceci
    Third pairing : Cowen, Borowiecki, Wiercioch, Gryba
    Not NHL Material: Phillips
     
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    Based on what we've got we will need to roll with something like

    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    Chiasson – Lazar - Pageau
    Condra - Legwand – Michalek
    Neil

    Based on a few deals (Chiasson, Legwand, Michalek, Neil) before March 2 we could be looking at

    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    Prince – Lazar - Pageau
    Puempel - 1st pick/DaCosta – Robinson
    Condra

    Either way, pretty scary, but I'd prefer the second set and get the young ones seasoned. Pageau could be the 4C, but I'd like to see him get a shot at a St Louis - esque RW slot. Prince will show, after March 2, if he belongs. UFAs are defence rich (no centres we will sign). A trade for a ROR type of centre might be beneficial. (Methot and Chiasson/Dallas 2nd for ROR?) would change the landscape dramatically. 1st could then be a Dman.
     
  16. Do Make Say Think

    Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    I don't see why so many seem ok with Ceci on the 2nd pair but not Cowen

    I think they've been pretty even
     
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    You can't handle the Sens true depth chart.
     
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    I think it's kind of intersting. Remember, this is a thread about where they are at exactly this moment in time. Like a freeze frame. I see a lot of these guys working their way up the depth chart over time (Stone, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Lazar) to name a few. But right now, this is I think the fairest evaluation of where the team is at and it makes it a lot easier to understand why the team is losing. They just aren't that good yet.
     
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    Point Pace over 82 as of Right Now:

    Ryan = 62

    Hoffman = 48 (28 Goal Pace, now buried in lineup to avoid Paying the Piper RFA)

    Zibanejad = 40
    Stone = 50
    Turris = 50
    MacArthur = 42

    Chiasson = 32
    Legwand = 34

    Now realistically, we know that the league average is around 40 points to be classified as a "2nd line" forward. However, if we're talking about a contending team that has a realistic shot of making noise in the playoffs those numbers have to be bigger.

    I staunchly believe MacArthur & Turris would have better numbers this year if they were playing with Ryan. I'd probably put them both around 55-60 points and 20+ goals each if that was the scenario. They've been hurt by having him removed from their wing.

    Zibanejad & Hoffman in the same ilk have been boosted by the play of Ryan, but it's fairly clear Hoffman has his own high end skill set.
     
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    I agree with this pretty much. But I think Gryba is a 3rd pairing guy, although maybe not on a contending team.
     
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    Now if you compare us to Chicago. That's where Ottawa's lack of top end depth in their current stage of development becomes abundantly clear. These things go in cycles, and Ottawa hasn't reached theirs yet. Also, if we're to have a cycle at all we need some prospects to take a big jump and probably a trade or free agent home run.

    L1: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp
    L1 & L2 Tweener: Saad, Versteeg
    L2: Richards
    L3: Bickell

    D1: Keith, Seabrook
    D2: Hjalmarsson, Rundblad
    D3: Oduya, Rosival
    Replacement Level: Erixon, TVR, Dahlbeck, Clendening
     
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    Haha, well it's obviously just a theory. It's literally just what SensChirp stated the other day in his comment section. A month or so ago Hoffman said he wanted to wait until after the year to start negotiating on contract. He's been moved away from Ryan and the lineup has been shuffled since. Still gets zero real PP opportunity (always just the last 25 seconds or so) despite a terrible PP.

    That doesn't make it true of course, it's mostly hyperbole in jest. His usage does however strike some as odd. We probably aren't getting the most out of him unless he's with our best players. Then again, that could be said of anyone.
     
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    Hoffman not looking good on the PP might have something to with his PP ice-time rather than attempting to nickel and dime him
     
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    True, but he's also only played the point (yes he did do that in Bingo too I know) instead of being put in the Turris spot on the half wall where his one-timer could be most effective a-la-Ovechkin.

    He also only gets on for the last 25 seconds or so of a PP, and that has been the same situation since game one. He's never been given a "regular" shift on the PP to screw up. So you can hardly say his poor play is the reason.
     

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