Post-Game Talk: Sens @ Flyers - Nov 19, 2013

[Pancakes Pancakes]

Glad someone is seeing this.

The thin.with spezza is that he makes some great plays, but his bad plays far out weight his good plays.

 

[Slow Hands]

Lol at all the Spezza bashers. Like the team is seriously going to strip Spezza of the C because of this.

The game sucked and they should have pushed back but at least there's a game tomorrow. This would all be much worse if we didn't have another game for a week.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

That angle that shows the puck hitting the skate in the net is the video evidence.

I'm not of the belief that the "definitive proof" the puck was in has to be from the overhead angle. That angle showed a good goal.

The puck is in the air. Can't really tell if it is over the line.

 

[NyQuil]

Lol at all the Spezza bashers. Like the team is seriously going to strip Spezza of the C because of this.

I don't think Spezza should be stripped of the C and I still think he's our most talented forward.

However, he played a very uninspired and ineffective game.

 

[exv91]

The team collapse after the non-goal by Turris says a lot about the team's confidence and morale. Our goals against says a lot about our D. We're not a high scoring team, but I think we need some more veteran presence on the blue line. Guys like Phillips, Gryba, and Cowen are killing us.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Turris showed a lot of emotion there on the bench at the end, gotta love that guy.

Also, Ryan is a superstar, I wish we won tonight for him.

 

[agent2421]

Spezza for Stamkos at the trade deadline (he's injured and Tampa can go on a run)

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Lol at all the Spezza bashers. Like the team is seriously going to strip Spezza of the C because of this.

I was one that preferred Spezza to be captain over anyone else on the team, but he has been pathetic this season. He looks good in one game and looks like complete garbage for the next three. His game hasn't changed for the better at all.

 

[chipsens]

Can Todd White still play? I think he would be an upgrade on Spezza!

 

[Benjamin]

I think that Spezza is honestly a good part of this team's leadership core, but admittedly (by both Spez and Alfredsson), Alfie filled the "lead by example" role of leadership, and Spezza was the "voice in the locker-room" guy. It worked because they split the duties, IMO: if the guys had a problem in the locker-room, Spez was the guy, if they needed someone to inspire them, it was Alfie.

Problem is, while I'm sure Spezza is still a dressing room leader and still the voice of the team, there's no one to fill the role of "veteran guy to settle the room down". I feel pretty strongly about the fact that if we KNEW Alfie was going to walk as a UFA, we would never have traded Gonchar's rights, and would have made a point of trying to keep him around. We lost two HUGE veteran presences in Gonch & Alfie, and we have not filled those roles with anyone.

Spezza isn't a great leader, but he's far from a bad one, either... problem is, the team lost a specific dynamic that it hasn't found a way to replicate/ replace, and Spezza might never be the guy to do it.

Agreed with all of this.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I don't think Spezza should be stripped of the C and I still think he's our most talented forward.

However, he played a very uninspired and ineffective game.

In a nutshell. To his defense though... that's how he plays. Like Bonk also says above, Spezza doesn't play the "lead by example" role very well which Alfredsson was a master it.

It could change though. Remember the Alfredsson back in the day when people saying Alfie for Conroy? However Alfredsson was still known to be great defensively he just never tried as hard which was still better than Spezza is now.

 

[BonkTastic]

Btw, how about that Zack Smith, eh? Like Bonk said, his game is day and night better compared to what it used to be. He is just a dominant force in the center ice now and real smart with the puck. Neil and Greening on his line kill any form of offensive consistency though. Greening has looked better.

Honest opinion? I think both he and the team have given up hope that he'll ever become an "elite 3rd line C" as far as point-production goes, and he's embraced the other parts of his game that he used to do well, and for a long time stopped doing.

I much, MUCH prefer the "defensively responsible, hard hitting,100% effort but limited offensively" Zack Smith to the "trying to do too much, sucks at everything, takes stupid penalties" version that we'd seen far, far too often over the last calendar year.

 

[sens613]

Anyone else think F it try spezza on the wing with smith. Smith is strong defensively and gets back faster.

I know everyone says spezza can't play wing , but really it can't make things worse right?

 

[NyQuil]

Zack Smith was carrying the puck well, and more importantly, he wouldn't just throw it away. I was impressed.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The puck is in the air. Can't really tell where it is over the line.

All you need to be looking at is where Grossman's skate is in relation to the line.

Is Grossman's skate three inches away from the goal line? Seems like it is to me

 

[Golden]

The good thing is that they can immediately try to turn this around tomorrow. They had a decent game for the most part. It was just that when momentum swung in Philly's favour they took advantage and we didn't when it was in ours.

We all know we need help on defense and perhaps some leadership but there's no quick fix trade that's going to help this team. The have to fix the internal issues - mental mistakes, team defense, improving on special teams - before they can look for outward help.

 

[Slow Hands]

I don't think Spezza should be stripped of the C and I still think he's our most talented forward.

However, he played a very uninspired and ineffective game.

I don't disagree with you, but some of the stuff people are saying is absurd. You're going to get fleeced in any Spezza trade because his value right now is awful. People go on about trading Spezza with the expectation that we're going to get a game breaking player back, but also disparage the guy as useless at the same time - well, what is it? Is he a bum that isn't even worth a bag of pucks, or is he worth an elite return?

 

[HavlatMach9]

well we've freed Zibanejad, and we let Lehner play, what's next?

 

[agent2421]

it'll be pretty hard to turn this around tomorrow since Minny is actually a really good team compared to Philly.

 

[WORLDSTARHIPHOP]

Turris showed a lot of emotion there on the bench at the end, gotta love that guy.

Also, Ryan is a superstar, I wish we won tonight for him.

What did he do?

 

[Super Cake]

it'll be pretty hard to turn this around tomorrow since Minny is actually a really good team compared to Philly.

They are currently getting slaughtered by the habs if that is any consolation.

 

[WORLDSTARHIPHOP]

well we've freed Zibanejad, and we let Lehner play, what's next?

Call up Pageau

 

[Savannah Skunk]

If the Sens continue to play like garbage, Ryan doesn't even think about signing here and I wouldn't blame him for a second. We have next year to make it up, but it would be nice to have 2 years of playoffs. I don't see any motivation to sign with this group for him though.

Unless he is the next Captain....

 

[Very Stable Genius]

We are a puck possession team without the puck possession. How wonderful.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

well we've freed Zibanejad, and we let Lehner play, what's next?

Get our first round pick back?