Post-Game Talk: SENS blow into the Windy City, Mon 8:30 pm

[BondraTime]

dorion: would you like to sign a contract with us
demelo: san jose is offering me one

You realise San Jose let him walk to Free Agency... He was an RFA that they never qualified, meaning they literally never offered him a contract.

 

[BondraTime]

Sorry – you're objectively wrong.

Par the course

 

[solidprospect]

Sorry – you're objectively wrong.

So why is weircoch not in the NHL anymore and didn't work out with us? But I'm wrong.

 

[solidprospect]

You realise San Jose let him walk to Free Agency... He was an RFA that they never qualified, meaning they literally never offered him a contract.

But they did offer him a contract.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

So why is weircoch not in the NHL anymore and didn't work out with us? But I'm wrong.

Because it goes back to the exact point @BonkTastic was making – stats aren't infallible or the be-all, end-all of player analysis.

 

[BondraTime]

So why is weircoch not in the NHL anymore and didn't work out with us? But I'm wrong.

Because advanced stats mean dick all when they aren't used in context and with a knowledge base.

 

[BonkTastic]

Wieroch, wideman and prince we're never rated highly by GAR or any other advanced stats.

Never rated highly by advanced stats? Are you actually joking right now? The "advanced stats are gospel" crowd around here FOR YEARS were whining that Wiercioch and Wideman deserved to be playing 20mins/night based solely on corsi/fenwick and other advanced stats.

Also: GAR is hardly a reliable stat. Again, you need to use these stats in combination with some common sense.

 

[BondraTime]

But they did offer him a contract.

Yes, after they let him turn into a UFA and let him sit 2 weeks into the UFA period.

When you are not tendered a qualifying offer as an RFA, what does that mean to you?

 

[BonkTastic]

Because it goes back to the exact point @BonkTastic was making – stats aren't infallible or the be-all, end-all of player analysis.

Lol, exactly.

I do love the circular nature of this debate, though.

 

[solidprospect]

Show me where weircoch was among the leaders in gar/war

 

[solidprospect]

Because it goes back to the exact point @BonkTastic was making – stats aren't infallible or the be-all, end-all of player analysis.

i don't recall saying that stats we're the be all end all.

 

[solidprospect]

You realise San Jose let him walk to Free Agency... He was an RFA that they never qualified, meaning they literally never offered him a contract.

They did though.

 

[BondraTime]

They did though.

Why are you quoting my post twice to say the same incorrect thing?

Here, bit of help for you.

Sharks decline to give qualifying offer to DeMelo

That means he's a UFA and every team can sign him, including Ottawa. He signed a week later, with what would have been the #7 role on San Jose.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

i don't recall saying that stats we're the be all end all.

Right, but what you did ask was why Wiercioch wasn't in the NHL or with Ottawa anymore if his numbers were so good. That's why. Because numbers are only a part of the equation, not the whole picture. It's the same reason why it's hard to take your assessment of Demelo as a 2D seriously.

 

[solidprospect]

Right, but what you did ask was why Wiercioch wasn't in the NHL or with Ottawa anymore if his numbers were so good. That's why. Because numbers are only a part of the equation, not the whole picture. It's the same reason why it's hard to take your assessment of Demelo as a 2D seriously.

Weircoch was never among war/gar leaders in the NHL for any period of time. i already know why Weircoch is no longer in the NHL with any team, let alone Ottawa.

 

[bert]

Karlsson is better than Chabot and we were not always a playoff team even with Karlsson. The problem with the team is no depth not our current 1/2 defenceman.

We have some very good players, but we're obviously working on turning the roster over from all the bad ones.

It was a joke about how poor of a player Ceci is, not really sure about the relevance of your statement of Chabot vs Karlsson if you switched them right now this team would not be a playoff team but that wasnt the point of my comment.

 

[BonkTastic]

Show me where weircoch was among the leaders in gar/war

1) Gar/War barely existed in hockey until like 2 years ago.

2) hockey is like the WORST sport to evaluate goals/wins above replacement in from an accuracy and statistical validity perspective.

 

[solidprospect]

It was a joke about how poor of a player Ceci is, not really sure about the relevance of your statement of Chabot vs Karlsson if you switched them right now this team would not be a playoff team but that wasnt the point of my comment.

If you switched them Demelo would still rate better than Ceci.

 

[solidprospect]

1) Gar/War barely existed in hockey until like 2 years ago.

2) hockey is like the WORST sport to evaluate goals/wins above replacement in from an accuracy and statistical validity perspective.

wrong

 

[bert]

If you switched them Demelo would still rate better than Ceci.

Man I think you are in a full discussion with yourself that I really am not taking part in.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

wrong

Anything to back up your statement, or are you just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks?

 

[BondraTime]

Anything to back up your statement, or are you just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks?

Same as usual, best to leave him be

 

[solidprospect]

Anything to back up your statement, or are you just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks?

War numbers we're out there a long time ago and their is numerous articles out there explaining these things already but you expect it from me instead. Go read hockey-graphs.com and everything explained by Evolving-Wild, Manny hockey and others. It's all there.

 

[BonkTastic]

wrong

Oh yeah?

Alright. Tell me what the statistical linkages are that can reliably predict GAR as an indicator of skill and ability? What are the margins of error? What is the likelihood that the correlation is due to causation? What is the degree of certainty that the measure is reflected of the sample, or is the sample reflective of the measure?

Sell me on GAR as being a predictive metric, rather than a reflective metric.

 

[solidprospect]

Wins Above Replacement: History, Philosophy, and Objectives (Part 1)

also a part 2 and part 3, and explanation for other stats on that site.