Patrick Laine, he is that good at scoring he deserves the selke.
Couts had better defensive stats than Barkov yesterday by corsi etc...? but how come watching that game Barkov had clear upper hand of Couts in all 3 zones?
It’s 1 game sample but stat watching isn’t only thing we should do especially when Couts has Giroux on his line who shut down prime Crosby in the playoffs and is great two-way player too playing center before. We should watch induvidual performance too.
I am not saying that Couts would not deserve to win this. We have to watch entire picture here not just stats. I think it is a close race between Bergeron, Barkov and Couturier.
Couts had better defensive stats than Barkov yesterday by corsi etc...? but how come watching that game Barkov had clear upper hand of Couts in all 3 zones?
It’s 1 game sample but stat watching isn’t only thing we should do especially when Couts has Giroux on his line who shut down prime Crosby in the playoffs and is great two-way player too playing center before. We should watch induvidual performance too.
I am not saying that Couts would not deserve to win this. We have to watch entire picture here not just stats. I think it is a close race between Bergeron, Barkov and Couturier.
Also, I know Couts has solid linemates in Giroux and Konecny but it's not like Barkov is playing with scrubs.
I wouldn't call a guy who scored at a 40-50 point pace every year from age 21-25 except last season "barely a 3rd liner". He may not be a legit 1st liner but he produces at a low end 2nd line pace while only playing 15 minutes a game and not much on the PP. He's not Giroux or Konecny but he's not Jamie McGinn either.Dadonov is good player, maybe comparable to Konecny, but Bjugstad isn't that far from scrub. Barely third liner. He has looked little better last 20 games, but that's with Barkov. Even Jagr looked like 1st liner there.
Looking at 1 game, small sample size. And as you said, the stats show Couts was better than Barkov. But again, 1 game.
I wouldn't call a guy who scored at a 40-50 point pace every year from age 21-25 except last season "barely a 3rd liner". He may not be a legit 1st liner but he produces at a low end 2nd line pace while only playing 15 minutes a game and not much on the PP. He's not Giroux or Konecny but he's not Jamie McGinn either.
I mean, I respect your opinion but this isn't club hockey as a teenager, this is the absolute highest level of professional hockey in the world. You're literally the only person I've ever heard that has tried to make it seem like there's no disadvantage when playing the 2nd half of a road back to back especially when that game went to a shootout and the player in question played 28 minutes. And to say we don't know the affect is not true. Coaches and players talk about the difficulty of playing back to backs all the time, it's no secret. Even HFBoards doesn't debate it and HFBoards debates everything!When i played hockey it was easier to play back to back because i had it going from the start. It’s not easy to play competitively after a rest. Overall i think it has it’s + and - when playing back to back. Panthers were better team at the beginning after that flyers took control. They competed hard. There was no signs of being tired. I don’t think back to back games affected too much. But we never know. It’s only speculation because we don’t know how players feel. I can only talk about my own experience. It’s totally different in NHL though. Not comparing but trying to say there is some kind of advantage too to play back to back.
The problem with simply saying Barkov outplayed him in all 3 zones from start to finish is that it's literally your opinion based on nothing. I could easily say the same thing which is why people tend to back up their opinion with facts and stats. I don't really get why you're saying that using stats in favor of Couturier is misleading and then you bring up stats in favor of Barkov as if they have more validity.Again Couts had better ”stats” but Barkov outplayed him from start to finish in all 3 zones? All i trying to say that it is flawed to only watch these ”stats” when linemates have big impact on it. I think we have to take induvidual stats into account too Barkov has 50 blocked shots and 64 takeaways for the season. Couts has 32 blocks shots and 39 takeaways. Barkov has by far most stickchecks in NHL from all fowards. One of the better faceoff guys at defensive zone.
All i’m trying to say that we should watch the games and not stare induvidual or team stats only. While i agree them having impact but don’t tell whole picture. This is close and exciting selke race.
I don't know how long he's been playing with Barkov this season so I can't really say much but Bjugstad's numbers have been fairly consistent (although very average) throughout the season. Again, I'm not saying he's a great player but he's not a borderline 4th liner in any way.Yeah, except last season and this season, unless he has played with Barkov. His game wasn't better even with Trocheck (tho, it seems to be hard for many). There would be probably some players even in Panthers, that make better in that line. Reason for Bjugstad playing there have to be A) rising his value B) trying to find the game, he played 2-3 years ago.
I mean, I respect your opinion but this isn't club hockey as a teenager, this is the absolute highest level of professional hockey in the world. You're literally the only person I've ever heard that has tried to make it seem like there's no disadvantage when playing the 2nd half of a road back to back especially when that game went to a shootout and the player in question played 28 minutes. And to say we don't know the affect is not true. Coaches and players talk about the difficulty of playing back to backs all the time, it's no secret. Even HFBoards doesn't debate it and HFBoards debates everything!
The problem with simply saying Barkov outplayed him in all 3 zones from start to finish is that it's literally your opinion based on nothing. I could easily say the same thing which is why people tend to back up their opinion with facts and stats. I don't really get why you're saying that using stats in favor of Couturier is misleading and then you bring up stats in favor of Barkov as if they have more validity.
Also, I'm just interested, where do you get stats on stick checks? I didn't even know that was a thing.
I don't know how long he's been playing with Barkov this season so I can't really say much but Bjugstad's numbers have been fairly consistent (although very average) throughout the season. Again, I'm not saying he's a great player but he's not a borderline 4th liner in any way.
Except that he's tangibly a great player. It's not just people saying "you don't watch him he's good"this site makes me dislike Barkov. He's the new OEL
this site makes me dislike Barkov. He's the new OEL
Kopitar is actually the only player that has the stats to back up pushing Bergeron. The advanced stats show his team has he puck all the time when he is on the ice. Statistically he is the best 200 foot player in the league.Kopitar doesn’t belong in the discussion this year. I’d say Bergeron but if not I’d put my money on Couts.
Yep. Barkov is like Pavel Datsyuk but add a bit more height and mass. Both are magicians and enjoyable to follow.Barkov owned the game last night, but like it has been said it was 1 game.
For the poll why I would like Barkov to win over Couturier. I don't see Couts as the engine of his team like Barkov is for Florida. He is the engine that drives that team and has proven to put up #1C numbers with or without garbage on his line. All of the offensive skills are about elite with him, his shot isn't but even that's good, his hands are something else.
Barks has become an elite faceoff guy and has 5 shorthanded goals this season, I've seen a tweet earlier say he's the best stickchecking forward in todays NHL. He doesn't either get sheltered and has brutal D-zone starts.
He leads the league in icetime per game for F's, I'm having trouble making a case for more than 2-3 guys meaning more ot their team than him.
He has the worst linemates out of Barkov/Bergeron/Couts, and it all starts from defense with him.
What does that have to do with his defensive play?
That is the same question that could be asked of Barkov for the selke... all we hear about him are his points, maybe carrying them into the playoffs and gifs of fancy shootout moves.
I see these guys plenty and I know what they are good at but for the sake of preaching someone’s defensive abilities, some visuals helps a lot, at least if one is trying to make a case for anyone over Bergeron, particularly when it comes in forms of such videos like the ”Bergeron under the radar plays”-video.
Barkov brings unique two-way game to Panthers, game film showsThat is the same question that could be asked of Barkov for the selke... all we hear about him are his points, maybe carrying them into the playoffs and gifs of fancy shootout moves.
I see these guys plenty and I know what they are good at but for the sake of preaching someone’s defensive abilities, some visuals helps a lot, at least if one is trying to make a case for anyone over Bergeron, particularly when it comes in forms of such videos like the ”Bergeron under the radar plays”-video.