Sebastian Aho scores his 30th

[Jussi]

Wasnt the original 20 points? Not even goals but points? Dude owes a lot of beers

Narrator: he won't pay up.

 

[Chardo]

I thought he was a healthy scratch again.

Sorry, wrong Sebastian Aho.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Thing is, I don't think Aho has really played all that well this season. He hasn't been a factor in games as much as he was last season IMO, even with the goal scoring. You see times when he definitely is (half way through the game last night for instance), but overall, I think he's got more in him. I like that he's scoring a lot of "dirty" goals this year close to the net, picking up rebounds, etc...especially for a player his size, but I still think he's got a lot more in him.

 

[SenzZen]

Loved him as a Hab.

I have to assume Canes fans and management did, too.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

That's Ahole lot of goals.

 

[The S5]

Agree that Aho is better —but is he 75% better than Teravainen or 100% better than Pesce. The original point was about best contract.


Slavin is good—but not more valuable than Aho. I stated above he has a better contract. However, think about the Blues, they had two D-men pretty equivalent to Slavin, it was finally getting a 1C and reliable goalie that won the Cup. Pesce has a slightly more valuable contract (according to the Athletic's model) but even D-men as good as Pesce and Slavin don't have the value of a 1C like Aho who can change the game with the puck on his stick.

And Slavin changes the game keeping puck out of the net. Take Slavin away and see what happens with this team.
Agree to disagree.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Agree that Aho is better —but is he 75% better than Teravainen or 100% better than Pesce. The original point was about best contract.

That’s not how contracts work, though. A $7.5M player is not 50% better than a $5M player. You pay that premium because a small margin between top-end players makes a difference in end-of-season team results.

 

[tapi]

Ahos' resurgence after the difficult early season has been a thing to behold. He really came into his own despite the disappointments and is just getting better and better.

 

[DearDiary]

TIL 51 points in 55 games is superstar caliber and Teravainen who has more points must be generational?

 

[emptyNedder]

That’s not how contracts work, though. A $7.5M player is not 50% better than a $5M player. You pay that premium because a small margin between top-end players makes a difference in end-of-season team results.

Agree—though "better" is a matter of semantics not math. Not saying 50% more productive. I was just making the case that based on contracts being a "steal" TT at $5.4 could be a "better" deal than Aho at $8.4, which I think is a damn good deal.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Agree—though "better" is a matter of semantics not math. Not saying 50% more productive. I was just making the case that based on contracts being a "steal" TT at $5.4 could be a "better" deal than Aho at $8.4, which I think is a damn good deal.

Yeah, it’s mainly just a matter of TT being an absurdly good value since he signed his contract before he really blossomed. Pesce and Slavin too. Aho is the only one signed at market price and even at that, a completely reasonable deal.

 

[yeaher]

I get the feeling that the Canes are going to end up missing their window if they don't go all in over the next 2 seasons. No doubt they have the pieces to win the cup even this year with a few doable upgrades.

 

[Scuba-Steve]

Loved him as a Hab.

Yep indeed. Probably gonna tear up like a baby watching the tribute video on february 29th ...

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I get the feeling that the Canes are going to end up missing their window if they don't go all in over the next 2 seasons. No doubt they have the pieces to win the cup even this year with a few doable upgrades.

How is their window only the next two years?

Aho, TT, Pesce signed for another 4 years and the the latter two are at ridiculous bargains and Ahos contract merely being good. Slavin signed for another 5 years at an absolute steal. Svech will have 5 more years of team control after next year. Necas is only in his first year of his ELC. Lots of young D ready to come up to replace guys like TVR and Edmundson.

Will have to see what happens with Dougie but I imagine he re-signs. Goaltending is the question going forward. Not much cause for concern elsewhere.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

one of the youngest teams in the league's window ends in two years

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I get the feeling that the Canes are going to end up missing their window if they don't go all in over the next 2 seasons. No doubt they have the pieces to win the cup even this year with a few doable upgrades.

Cup winners top scorers ages to start the season:
2019: ROR (27), Tarasenko (26), Schenn (27), Perron (30), Pietrangelo (28), Bozak (32)
2018: OVI (31), Kuznetsov (25), Backstrom (29), Carlson (27), Oshie (30), Eller (28)
2018: Crosby (29), Malkin (30), Kessel (28), Sheary (24), Schulz (26), Hornqvist (29)

Age to start the season of the Canes top scorers right now this season: Teravainen (24), Aho (22), Svechnikov (19), Hamilton (26), Necas (20).

IMO, the Canes are still a couple years away from their true cup window even being opened.

 

[kladorf2005]

@vHAB

Wasnt the original 20 points? Not even goals but points? Dude owes a lot of beers

The thread is currently locked so no one can quote the post after the season ends as the terms go and thusly not qualify for free beer.

Do we have contacts to the administration to have the thread unlocked on April 5th?

Here's your ticket to a free beer. Just start the quote with this (add brackets before and after): QUOTE="LD29, post: 165379151, member: 312537"

Here's what it looks like:

He was a one hit wonder. Because he played one good season, finnish posters on HF board hyped him like he was a three headed Crosby.

Carolina made the mistake to pay him big time. He is not worth the money and never will be. I honestly think they should trade him as long as some other GMs think he only had a slow start.

I will give anyone that quotes this after the season ends a free beer if Aho will have more than 20 points at the end of the season.

I would even bet on Haula having more goals than Aho has points at the end of the season.

Haula deserves his 1C spot. Or at least make Staal 1C and Haula 2C.

And no, this is no trolling. I'm absolutely honest about it.

@LD29 you owe me a beer!

 

[Lempo]

Here's your ticket to a free beer. Just start the quote with this (add brackets before and after): QUOTE="LD29, post: 165379151, member: 312537"

Here's what it looks like:

This feels shenanigans, but the sort of shenanigans that I rather ponder on their legitimacy with a beer.

 

[yeaher]

Cup winners top scorers ages to start the season:
2019: ROR (27), Tarasenko (26), Schenn (27), Perron (30), Pietrangelo (28), Bozak (32)
2018: OVI (31), Kuznetsov (25), Backstrom (29), Carlson (27), Oshie (30), Eller (28)
2018: Crosby (29), Malkin (30), Kessel (28), Sheary (24), Schulz (26), Hornqvist (29)

Age to start the season of the Canes top scorers right now this season: Teravainen (24), Aho (22), Svechnikov (19), Hamilton (26), Necas (20).

IMO, the Canes are still a couple years away from their true cup window even being opened.

I don't think that you can forecast that though, they have the studs now, and should be going for it.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

One of the best young centers in the league. Tampa, Toronto and Colorado are the only teams with a more talented core than Aho, Svech, Teuvo, Slavin and Hamilton right now and even Toronto is debatable.

There's no debate. Matthews, Marner and Tavares are better than anyone on the Canes. Nylander and Rielly are in the same discussion as the guys you listed. Toronto's forward depth as a notch above. Their secondary players, like Engvall, Hyman, Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot, and Mikheyev gives the Leafs a depth that few teams can match.

Where Carolina has a massive advantage is on the back end, where the sum of their parts is so vastly superior to Toronto's that it makes me cry just a little bit. They're just a better defensive team, without question. I'd gladly give up some of that offensive depth for better defensive players. I'm not even talking stars, just reliable depth defenseman that can be trusted to get the puck and not immediately turn it over.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There's no debate. Matthews, Marner and Tavares are better than anyone on the Canes. Nylander and Rielly are in the same discussion as the guys you listed. Toronto's forward depth as a notch above. Their secondary players, like Engvall, Hyman, Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot, and Mikheyev gives the Leafs a depth that few teams can match.

Where Carolina has a massive advantage is on the back end, where the sum of their parts is so vastly superior to Toronto's that it makes me cry just a little bit. They're just a better defensive team, without question. I'd gladly give up some of that offensive depth for better defensive players. I'm not even talking stars, just reliable depth defenseman that can be trusted to get the puck and not immediately turn it over.

You're saying that the Leafs have an advantage up front and the Canes have an advantage on the blueline. Does that not make for a debate between the two teams?

Toronto has the star power. Carolina has better balance and is more cap efficient, which allows for better depth throughout the roster. Carolina is good offensively and defensively (Top 10 in both categories). Toronto is Top 5 offensively, but Bottom 5 defensively. It comes down to how you want to build a team.

 

[NotOpie]

There's no debate. Matthews, Marner and Tavares are better than anyone on the Canes. Nylander and Rielly are in the same discussion as the guys you listed. Toronto's forward depth as a notch above. Their secondary players, like Engvall, Hyman, Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot, and Mikheyev gives the Leafs a depth that few teams can match.

Where Carolina has a massive advantage is on the back end, where the sum of their parts is so vastly superior to Toronto's that it makes me cry just a little bit. They're just a better defensive team, without question. I'd gladly give up some of that offensive depth for better defensive players. I'm not even talking stars, just reliable depth defenseman that can be trusted to get the puck and not immediately turn it over.

So I agree that Toronto has terrific forward depth and overall their Top 6 especially is something to crow about. I do feel that overall the difference isn't quite as great as one would think (still giving the edge to Toronto). Given what Carolina has in it's system, it seems like the Canes are going to be an exciting team for years to come.

I also agree that the Canes back end is pretty stacked.

The one thing that I'd point out is that even though Mitch Marner has 33 more points than Sebastian Aho in his career, Aho has 32 more goals. I'd hardly characterize that as "better" and would easily "debate" the assertion.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

So I agree that Toronto has terrific forward depth and overall their Top 6 especially is something to crow about. I do feel that overall the difference isn't quite as great as one would think (still giving the edge to Toronto). Given what Carolina has in it's system, it seems like the Canes are going to be an exciting team for years to come.

I also agree that the Canes back end is pretty stacked.

The one thing that I'd point out is that even though Mitch Marner has 33 more points than Sebastian Aho in his career, Aho has 32 more goals. I'd hardly characterize that as "better" and would easily "debate" the assertion.

Leafs have Matthews but would probably take Svechnikov over Tavares going forward. Teuvo over Nylander. Aho over Marner due to position.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't think that you can forecast that though, they have the studs now, and should be going for it.

Huh? Are you saying I can't forecast that Aho, Teravainen, Svechnikov, etc... won't still be as good 2 years from now as they are now?

That's some weird logic.

I watch the Canes a LOT and hope they don't "go for it" if it means selling off 1st round picks or top prospects for rentals.

 

[Atomos2]

Congrats to Aho. Has a realistic chance at getting 40 goals which is a great accomplishment.

So I agree that Toronto has terrific forward depth and overall their Top 6 especially is something to crow about. I do feel that overall the difference isn't quite as great as one would think (still giving the edge to Toronto). Given what Carolina has in it's system, it seems like the Canes are going to be an exciting team for years to come.

I also agree that the Canes back end is pretty stacked.

The one thing that I'd point out is that even though Mitch Marner has 33 more points than Sebastian Aho in his career, Aho has 32 more goals. I'd hardly characterize that as "better" and would easily "debate" the assertion.

Meh, the debate of Aho vs Marner is complicated. Marner's on a 104 point pace right now and has been the NHL scoring leader since returning from his injury on Dec 7. But regardless it doesn't take away from Aho's goal scoring.