HoseEmDown
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- Mar 25, 2012
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Yeah, agreed. There are way too many already giving up on Cirelli after basically one bad half season's worth of games, gimme a break. He's not going to be some throw in to get rid of Johnson, and as you said, even if JBB was thinking of a trade, he'd have good value to someone.
I don't think anybody is giving up on him they just don't think he's one of our 4 best forwards anymore. He's also not living up to his contract. I don't know why they gave him 4.8M for 3 year? For a team that's in a win now mode and in cap trouble you can't have players not playing up to or close to their contract, Cirelli like Johnson isn't living up to the contract.
So I'm going to compare Cirelli to Joseph, they were both drafted in 2015 one round apart, WJC, played in the memorial cup, went pro the same year, NHL rookies the same year. Joseph had better junior numbers, lead Syracuse in points their rookie year, yes Cirelli finished with Tampa but Joseph had the better ppg. So first pro season is probably a wash. Now if you compare 18/19 and 20/21 you get Cirelli with 128gp 28g 33a 61p, ES 20g 28a 48p, Joseph 132gp 25g 19a 44p, ES 24g 16a 40p. So over those two seasons Cirelli has the better overall numbers with them very close at ES but Cirelli played more minutes so Joseph the better p/60. If you use those seasons and their rookie ones they aren’t too far apart at least not over 4M which is what they are now. I know Cirelli had a great 19/20 season while Joseph struggled but was it that good where he needed to be paid that kind of money? Last season Joseph had a stretch like this Cirelli one, don't even think it was as bad, and he was sent down. Obviously Cirelli would need waivers this year but if this was last season does he get sent down for Stephens and get league minimum? Think BriseBois messed up that signing.
As for what kind of value Cirelli has they may get some picks or prospects for him but it's going to cost picks and prospects to move Johnson. Seattle might want more picks or prospects than we want to trade or not take Johnson unless we really make it worth while. Dumping Cirelli to move Johnson wouldn't be a bad move as it would clear 9.8M and gets two underachievers off the roster. Opens up spots for kids and gives us cap room to potentially keep Coleman and surely Goodrow.