Season Officially Suspended -- COVID-19/Coronavirus Talk

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  1. bleedblue1223 Registered User

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  2. Brockon Cautiously optimistic realist when caffeinated.

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    While I understand your concern about the politicizing of the topic and the very real likelihood of people getting into heated arguments, ruffling feathers (I know I've seen a couple people ignore others, or state their intent to do so)...

    I think that this whole situation amd the way in which it spread is directly attributable to the COVID-19 shutdowns. The fear. The massive unemployment. The many struggling to get by.

    Where the protests started in outrage over getting justice for George Floyd. I think some people were bored, and showed up for something to do - unemployment directly influences this number. I suspect that a number of these people also got caught up in the enthusiasm pockets of trouble makers started, leading to the riots.

    I mean, sure these are distinctly different problems - but I'd hazard a guess that they definitely grew off each other. And the way this spread across America, I think is also attributable to the world being in flux. Riots in the past (afar, from a different country) seem to be more localized and much less destructive. You don't see the national guard deployed in 20+ states very often.
     
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  4. TK 421 Barbashev eats babies pass it on

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    No offense meant but I don't think you understand the purpose of the 2nd Amendment and your idea that only retired military and police should have firearms is a great example of that.

    People have a right to defend themselves and their families, waiting for police to show up is a fools hope that could cost you your life.

    The 2nd Amendment isn't just for personal protection from fellow citizens, it also exists to guarantee freedoms that Americans are fortunate to have and to ensure their own government doesn't attempt to strip those freedoms away. The founding fathers intended it as a balance against tyrannical oppression from the government. So you're dead wrong about it being for the 1700-1800's, it was put in as a permanent balance and that ideal doesn't have an expiration date.

    Decreasing the availability of firearms or restricting areas as 'No Gun' zones has only led to increases in criminality in those areas and the data backs that up. You see criminals don't give a shit about laws so laws really only affect law abiding citizens. What good is a restriction if all it does is prevent you from accessing tools to defend yourself from criminals who didn't follow the restriction?

    Police aren't nervous dealing with people carrying firearms provided you follow procedure. It's not that difficult to inform the officer you're carrying and ask how they want to proceed. They will tell you what to do and provided you follow directions you'll be fine. When people don't follow directives is when people get hurt as an officer has no idea what someone else is thinking.

    I'm just thankful my rights aren't up for debate, the Constitution protects them from idiots who think the criminal attempting a robbery should be safe from being shot.
     
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    I'm done. I sense some personal grievance brewing. Not worth my time to continue given that anger.
     
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    Done. I'm gone. You guys can get back to non political COVID talk. I won't bring up the riots again.
     
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    I agree that we should avoid political discussion. I feel like I have really found a home here. I really enjoy being a part of this community, and I would hate to see that compromised because I don't see eye to eye politically with some of my fellow Blues fans. Having said that, I have observed that some of the posters I most respect are on the other side of the political spectrum from me. I will say, that I may not agree with those posters regarding such issues, but I damn well respect them and will continue to do so.
     
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    Curious to see who the first billionaire owner (across all sports) will be to get fed up with being expected to sacrifice his game-day, home-attendance revenue and make a stink about inviting "those who are comfortable with doing so" back to the stadiums and arenas. In the peak of the outbreak, it was expected that these big events would be cancelled...but now that numbers are plateauing and people are clearly getting sick of being told to self-isolate, there will be a growing percentage of folks ready to get back to the way things were, and eventually the decision to bring back the fans will be reached. And that day will likely be before everyone is comfortable with doing so; so it's only a matter of time before an owner starts trying to target that date.

    I expect some of these owners to be in better financial shape than others; and if you see the Covid-figures in your city falling; there will undoubtedly be the urge to allow limited admittance if not full-blown "enter at your own risk" policies. The local governments aren't in position to risk being sued, and the Federal government is instructing everyone to open back up...so the conversations are coming I'm sure.
     
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    Yeah, we all have different life experiences and view points, and that's great. Hockey and the Blues is our bonding point. In real-life I'm friends with people of different political beliefs, why can't we have that online too.
     
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    As someone who is currently active duty Navy, I really appreciate what SecDef Mark Esper did today. He will likely get fired for it, but he made it very clear that this Dept. of Defense will NOT use active duty forces on its own citizens.

    On a Covid related note, hopefully this large scale study can finally close the book on Hydroxychloroquine as a "preventative treatment"...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/
     
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    I'd imagine it was the video on the last post in it. That post wasn't deleted or edited though.
     
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    That guy wasn't even dead. Had the guy filming simply called 911 instead of being a useless ass, that guy may have had a chance.
     
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    If EB22 will lock thread he'll tell reason why its locked. Wild guess this lock has come from outside of this Blues board.
     
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    I'd bet it was a global mod as well, usually is the case.
     
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    Its a good study. I've been monitoring the Lancet study (which this article mentioned), as its been a debacle. There have been irregularities about the data and the source. Some facts (like the number of deaths, doses of medication) were verifiably incorrect from at least one hospital in Australia (several hospitals were collaborating, but some of them hadn't given permission to collect data, supposedly Its just bizarre issues with that study and the private company who were responsible for collecting the data.) The short version is that the study initially raised concerns about cardiac side effects, but the data those concerns were based on looks shady. I think there have been enough questions about the methods now, that this Lancet study won't ever be treated as meaningful even if they do address the concerns.

    They were saying in an 'observational' study (this is not a randomized, blinded study, to remove biases) that the people with Covid-19 who got hydroxychloriquine were more likely to die than those who didn't get it. But there is an obvious bias that people who are sicker and more likely to die from the way the Covid is progressing are more likely to have been prescribed hydroxychloroquine. The design is a significant limitation, independent of the weirdness with the data reports.

    But the U of Minnesota study from NEJM is a solid study design and statistically meaningful. Plus its looking at the prophylaxis question, which is important. There may still be a role where hydroxychloroquine DOES have a benefit, such as in a more severely sick patient, etc. There are other studies looking at those situations. But so far, nothing too persuasive has been published.

    Three thoughts from the NEJM study:
    1) Hydroxychloroquine doesn't seem worthwhile as a preventive therapy. I wouldn't prescribe it or take it for that purpose based on this data.
    2) The hand-wringing about cardiac side effects looks to be just that. It can be used safely when prescribed by gate-keepers who are familiar with how to use it. They didn't have an issue with cardiac side effects in this study. (The Lancet study, as I mentioned, raises a question about this, but I'd put more weight on the study that doesn't have all the weird problems.
    3) Remdisivir looks like the much more promising treatment option. The data coming out show that it makes a difference in a way that wasn't demonstrated with the hydroxychloriquine +/- azithromycin.
     
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    Looks like black people are clearly trying to provoke police there to act physically. Zero respect to police. In Finland that kind of people would go jail right away.

     
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    Not that I don't agree (trust me, I do), but how does that make sense?

    I've come to the conclusion that people are people. No use in me losing my mind over the artificial divisions people place among themselves.

    I mean it, these terms, "black, white, brown" mean nothing to me. Who are you as a person, and are you nice?

    That's all that matters. :nod:
     
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    Exactly, it doesn't. It's like the economy argument people make. If you want to loosen or get rid of restrictions, have the integrity to admit that will lead increased exposure and risk, likely leading to more infections and deaths. Call it for what it is, the protests, riots, and looting will lead to more infections and potentials deaths, but make the argument that the cause is worth it in the grand-scheme of things. I can at least have respect for that argument.

    If you are supposed to be someone of science, be of the science.

    And there are still ways of protesting and making a political statement, and following social distancing guidelines.
     
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    Exactly. It was a disgusting act, and it's a shame the man was murdered, but people are literally losing their minds and risking their lives. They're letting their passion override their common sense.

    My hope is no one gets infected, and (I'm being optimistic) the worst of the virus is over...but man, to be out in public like that? The risks... :help:
     
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    My take is, if you want to protest, go and protest, I have no problem with that. Our government needs to protect our vulnerable population though, the elderly. I heard a recent number that deaths at nursing homes could account for 40%. Data is so bad on it because local/state governments don't want that info out, so that number might be wrong, but it's significantly high. Protests can be done relatively safely if we ensure the vulnerable are shielded, but I'm not confident in that.
     

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