Player Discussion Sean Monahan

[Corpus X]

Last year the team wasn't gel. They weren't playing as a team and they were relying on talent alone in the last 2-3 months of the regular season. I was saying it last season and I'll say it again... THIS TEAM IS A SOLID TEAM! IT JUST NEEDS SOMETHING TO GET BEHIND TO CREATE SOLIDARITY! That is it. It takes a flash in the pan, lightning strike, lottery winning ticket and team effort that is NSYNC to win the cup. The team just wasn't NSYNC by the end of last season.

You drive me crazy.
Tearin' up my heart.
It makes me ill.
That's when I'll stop loving you.
This I promise you.
Bye bye bye.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Here’s my 2 gripes with Monahan.

1. He is a passenger at times. He doesn’t touch the game in some areas and he’s never involved physically.

2. He has disappeared the last 20 games for the last 2 seasons.

Besides this, I agree with @InfinityIggy that he’s been our best C since Niewy. He’s an elite goal scorer and has shown ability to score when it matters. He just leaves me wanting more at times.

 

[Corpus X]

Here’s my 2 gripes with Monahan.

1. He is passenger at times. He doesn’t touch the game in some areas and he’s never involved physically.

2. He has disappeared the last 20 games for the last 2 seasons.

Besides this, I agree with @InfinityIggy that he’s been our best C since Niewy. He’s an elite goal scorer and has shown ability to score when it matters. He just leaves me wanting more at times.

But this is what keeps you coming back.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Here’s my 2 gripes with Monahan.

1. He is passenger at times. He doesn’t touch the game in some areas and he’s never involved physically.

2. He has disappeared the last 20 games for the last 2 seasons.

Besides this, I agree with @InfinityIggy that he’s been our best C since Niewy. He’s an elite goal scorer and has shown ability to score when it matters. He just leaves me wanting more at times.

I agree he is a passenger sometimes, but as alluded to by others in the thread he kinda of has to be to play as productively as possible with Gaudreau, again at times. I do wish he was more physical though.

To the second point, I strongly believe both times were due to injury. If he has a healthy season I think we see that consistent Monahan we all want to see.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

To the second point, I strongly believe both times were due to injury. If he has a healthy season I think we see that consistent Monahan we all want to see.

It's not related to belief at all, that's simply a statement of fact.

Last season was a broken finger(s).

Two seasons ago was a myriad of injuries - and he disappeared because he was taken out of the lineup, and four post-season surgeries were required to repair the damage.

 

[Lunatik]

It's not related to belief at all, that's simply a statement of fact.

Last season was a broken finger(s).

Two seasons ago was a myriad of injuries - and he disappeared because he was taken out of the lineup, and four post-season surgeries were required to repair the damage.

for clarity, it was a broken thumb, as all thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs.

 

[Volica]

I'd just love for this guy to figure out the 200 foot game, and use his body like... more than 0%.
Elite Shooter who finds quiet ice and has an ease to him; but if he could figure it out on both ends, and just be a bit harder to play against, we'd be in the money. That being said, many centres found their 200 foot game later in their career, so it's not a done deal yet.

Would also love him to be able to use his body more to make space when need be. Like, it's fine when Gaudreau's out there dipsy doodling; it's not fine when they're triple teaming him and Monahan still doesn't really do anything.

There's another gear in there. I'm hoping a huge summer, pumping with Tommy Wilson and getting ready; gets this guy into camp on another level and ready to go from the start of the season. Hoping we're good enough again that coach Peters can find some off-days for Sean too, because it's been mentioned before; he's been unhealthy a lot.

 

[Lunatik]

Monahan scores a ton of goals from the slot, where he has to fight for position, claiming he never uses his body is completely disingenuous.

 

[crackdown44]

for clarity, it was a broken thumb, as all thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs.

It’s only a spider if it has 8 legs. Despite their kinky names, daddy long legs only have 6 meaning that they technically aren’t part of the arachnid family

 

[crackdown44]

Also I don’t find Monahan completely useless in the d-zone. He’s not Bergeron but I think he’s pretty average. In general his positioning is pretty good

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Also I don’t find Monahan completely useless in the d-zone. He’s not Bergeron but I think he’s pretty average. In general his positioning is pretty good

I’d rank Monahan on average between a (C+) - (B-) for his defensive play depending on the game.

@Lunatik you do make a fair point. I will say though that Sean has a knack for finding the spot in the defence and pulling the trigger with a quick release. But of course, that’s one of the toughest areas to score in and he does it extremely well.

 

[Volica]

Monahan scores a ton of goals from the slot, where he has to fight for position, claiming he never uses his body is completely disingenuous.

I expect no less of a take from you, being fair.
His strength isn't 'fighting for position in the slot'; making him sound like Tomas Holmstrom in his prime; his real strength is finding quiet ice. Very, very different. How many times have we seen him score a goal with two guys draped on him? Never?

Guy plays small hockey, if he played his size, we'd have a legit elite centre.

 

[Kranix]

Maybe next season will be the season he's not injured in April.

 

[DFF]

Guy plays small hockey, if he played his size, we'd have a legit elite centre.

Absolutely, dude is the smallest 6.3 player I have seen in my 30+ yrs of watching hockey.
Jankowski is close though.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Monahan is above average defensively. He has elite positioning, stick work and smarts. There is a reason he is a top 10 forward in the NHL in takeaways since his rookie season and neck and neck with the likes of Barkov, Backlund, and Orielly who are all considered elite two way players. His giveaway/takeaway differentials are elite as well. There is no denying that when healthy over the past two seasons Sean Monahan has taken his game to another level and been an absolute beast, but unfortunately a string of injuries has derailed his ability to perform from start to finish in both seasons.

Does he have a few downfalls that can in certain situations limit his abilities? Of course. His first few steps are below average, and as others continuously like to point out he lacks that physicality that you would hope for from a player his size. In certain mathchups he can be exposed due to those shortcomings. He's not perfect but he is an incredibly talented player that get's unfairly ripped on by this fanbase.

Calgary is incredibly soft down the middle of the ice as a whole. There is no denying that, and Monahan is not the only player contributing to that. We are in tough to match up against any big, fast, strong team as we are currently constructed. You can absolutely win a cup with Monahan as your "#1 C" but he needs a more suitable 2c behind him as Backlund, Ryan and Jankowski also all lack that element to there games as well. It is no coincidence that Treliving targeted Kadri to add some snarl and bite to the center position.

 

[SKRusty]

Monahan is above average defensively. He has elite positioning, stick work and smarts. There is a reason he is a top 10 forward in the NHL in takeaways since his rookie season and neck and neck with the likes of Barkov, Backlund, and Orielly who are all considered elite two way players. His giveaway/takeaway differentials are elite as well. There is no denying that when healthy over the past two seasons Sean Monahan has taken his game to another level and been an absolute beast, but unfortunately a string of injuries has derailed his ability to perform from start to finish in both seasons.

Does he have a few downfalls that can in certain situations limit his abilities? Of course. His first few steps are below average, and as others continuously like to point out he lacks that physicality that you would hope for from a player his size. In certain mathchups he can be exposed due to those shortcomings. He's not perfect but he is an incredibly talented player that get's unfairly ripped on by this fanbase.

Calgary is incredibly soft down the middle of the ice as a whole. There is no denying that, and Monahan is not the only player contributing to that. We are in tough to match up against any big, fast, strong team as we are currently constructed. You can absolutely win a cup with Monahan as your "#1 C" but he needs a more suitable 2c behind him as Backlund, Ryan and Jankowski also all lack that element to there games as well. It is no coincidence that Treliving targeted Kadri to add some snarl and bite to the center position.

First especially considering his injury history, unless getting into the playoffs is in jeopardy, Monahan should be doing very little hitting. He needs to be healthy come game 83. This summer for the first time in 3 seasons Sean will have a chance to build rather than just rehabilitate injuries. I am kind of looking forward to seeing the Sean Monahan that returns after summer.

 

[Nanuuk]

Monahan is above average defensively. He has elite positioning, stick work and smarts. There is a reason he is a top 10 forward in the NHL in takeaways since his rookie season and neck and neck with the likes of Barkov, Backlund, and Orielly who are all considered elite two way players. His giveaway/takeaway differentials are elite as well. There is no denying that when healthy over the past two seasons Sean Monahan has taken his game to another level and been an absolute beast, but unfortunately a string of injuries has derailed his ability to perform from start to finish in both seasons.

Does he have a few downfalls that can in certain situations limit his abilities? Of course. His first few steps are below average, and as others continuously like to point out he lacks that physicality that you would hope for from a player his size. In certain mathchups he can be exposed due to those shortcomings. He's not perfect but he is an incredibly talented player that get's unfairly ripped on by this fanbase.

Calgary is incredibly soft down the middle of the ice as a whole. There is no denying that, and Monahan is not the only player contributing to that. We are in tough to match up against any big, fast, strong team as we are currently constructed. You can absolutely win a cup with Monahan as your "#1 C" but he needs a more suitable 2c behind him as Backlund, Ryan and Jankowski also all lack that element to there games as well. It is no coincidence that Treliving targeted Kadri to add some snarl and bite to the center position.

Good summary! I would add that I think there is upside to Jankowski's game and I'm sure the coaching staff will be telling him to be more physical.

 

[SKRusty]

Sure.

Get me the highlight package of Monahan physicality and we can see what comment is absurdly stupid. I feel like I’ll be waiting a while. May as well take the L. As the usz. Missing having you patrolling the board.

Where are your highlight packs of Monahan not being Physical?
Here are stats to prove that Monahan has to be physical. So the zero percent is trash.
Pathetic when a person keeps baiting an individual to make oneself feel all mighty.

Scoring	Goals	Assists	Shots	Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
2013-14	19	CGY	NHL	75	22	12	34	-20	8	19	3	0	2	8	4	0	140	15.7	250	1198	15:59	476	560	45.9	23	42	26	31	Calder-8
2014-15	20	CGY	NHL	81	31	31	62	8	12	20	10	1	8	21	9	1	191	16.2	344	1589	19:37	902	917	49.6	42	39	81	52	Byng-5,Selke-20
2015-16	21	CGY	NHL	81	27	36	63	-6	18	20	7	0	5	23	13	0	197	13.7	336	1552	19:10	887	852	51.0	37	38	55	38	Byng-14
2016-17	22	CGY	NHL	82	27	31	58	-1	20	18	8	1	4	22	9	0	199	13.6	348	1441	17:35	743	701	51.5	25	34	50	44
2017-18	23	CGY	NHL	74	31	33	64	3	24	22	9	0	11	23	10	0	202	15.3	352	1382	18:41	709	698	50.4	17	35	51	42
2018-19	24	CGY	NHL	78	34	48	82	7	12	22	12	0	5	37	11	0	211	16.1	358	1486	19:03	454	434	51.1	24	36	78	58	Byng-3

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[super6646]

Where are your highlight packs of Monahan not being Physical?
Here are stats to prove that Monahan has to be physical. So the zero percent is trash.
Pathetic when a person keeps baiting an individual to make oneself feel all mighty.

Scoring	Goals	Assists	Shots	Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
2013-14	19	CGY	NHL	75	22	12	34	-20	8	19	3	0	2	8	4	0	140	15.7	250	1198	15:59	476	560	45.9	23	42	26	31	Calder-8
2014-15	20	CGY	NHL	81	31	31	62	8	12	20	10	1	8	21	9	1	191	16.2	344	1589	19:37	902	917	49.6	42	39	81	52	Byng-5,Selke-20
2015-16	21	CGY	NHL	81	27	36	63	-6	18	20	7	0	5	23	13	0	197	13.7	336	1552	19:10	887	852	51.0	37	38	55	38	Byng-14
2016-17	22	CGY	NHL	82	27	31	58	-1	20	18	8	1	4	22	9	0	199	13.6	348	1441	17:35	743	701	51.5	25	34	50	44
2017-18	23	CGY	NHL	74	31	33	64	3	24	22	9	0	11	23	10	0	202	15.3	352	1382	18:41	709	698	50.4	17	35	51	42
2018-19	24	CGY	NHL	78	34	48	82	7	12	22	12	0	5	37	11	0	211	16.1	358	1486	19:03	454	434	51.1	24	36	78	58	Byng-3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Which one of those stats proves he’s physical? 34 hits is pretty meh overall.

I think this whole conservation is kind of all over the place at this point...

Monahan has to take a bunch of abuse fighting for space in the slot - nobody can deny he has that skill. But I don’t see how that makes him a physical player in a hockey sense either... and that’s fine. Expecting him to be gritty along the boards and dishing out hits just isn’t realistic, and I think we are better off seeing him improve his skating so he can become a more complete defensive player if anything.

 

[DFF]

Where are your highlight packs of Monahan not being Physical?
Here are stats to prove that Monahan has to be physical. So the zero percent is trash.
Pathetic when a person keeps baiting an individual to make oneself feel all mighty.

Scoring	Goals	Assists	Shots	Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
2013-14	19	CGY	NHL	75	22	12	34	-20	8	19	3	0	2	8	4	0	140	15.7	250	1198	15:59	476	560	45.9	23	42	26	31	Calder-8
2014-15	20	CGY	NHL	81	31	31	62	8	12	20	10	1	8	21	9	1	191	16.2	344	1589	19:37	902	917	49.6	42	39	81	52	Byng-5,Selke-20
2015-16	21	CGY	NHL	81	27	36	63	-6	18	20	7	0	5	23	13	0	197	13.7	336	1552	19:10	887	852	51.0	37	38	55	38	Byng-14
2016-17	22	CGY	NHL	82	27	31	58	-1	20	18	8	1	4	22	9	0	199	13.6	348	1441	17:35	743	701	51.5	25	34	50	44
2017-18	23	CGY	NHL	74	31	33	64	3	24	22	9	0	11	23	10	0	202	15.3	352	1382	18:41	709	698	50.4	17	35	51	42
2018-19	24	CGY	NHL	78	34	48	82	7	12	22	12	0	5	37	11	0	211	16.1	358	1486	19:03	454	434	51.1	24	36	78	58	Byng-3

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[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Johnny has better stats...is Johnny more physical?

 

[Khrox]

Which one of those stats proves he’s physical? 34 hits is pretty meh overall.

I think this whole conservation is kind of all over the place at this point...

Monahan has to take a bunch of abuse fighting for space in the slot - nobody can deny he has that skill. But I don’t see how that makes him a physical player in a hockey sense either... and that’s fine. Expecting him to be gritty along the boards and dishing out hits just isn’t realistic, and I think we are better off seeing him improve his skating so he can become a more complete defensive player if anything.

That is what we should expect.

Also, people ripping Monahan for his playoffs, should also be ripping Gaudreau. And vice versa. They have similar production (Monahan 20 games played, 8 goals, 13 points, Gaudreau 20 games played, 4 goals, 12 points). The reality is, they both need to step it up a bit, but to say one performs (or to even say "could just be better") while saying the other sucks is just wrong. They both need to improve, whether that is together, or separated. We wont improve as a team without improvement from these 2 in the playoffs.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Johnny and Monahan wish they were Lindholm good.

 

[DFF]

Johnny and Monahan wish they were Lindholm good.

You want 3 third wheels?

 

[lightstorm]

Monahan scores a ton of goals from the slot, where he has to fight for position, claiming he never uses his body is completely disingenuous.

In November, when most teams dont yet bother to cover the slot with 100% effort.

Monahan is a soft, shooting winger playing center for some reason. He's a passive finisher that doesnt make his linemates better.

Would Tkachuk and Frolik be better off with him over Backlund? Hardly. And as good as Backs is, he's nothing amazing either.

 

[ItWasJustified]

He was as invisible against the Oilers as Pettersson was against the Leafs last night, and Pettersson wasn't even in the lineup.