Scott Hannan over Souray...

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  1. Kasparov*

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    Now... i don't know about you guys... but, i think Sheldon Souray would of been a much much better pick. Souray is bigger, he's stronger, he's better offensively he's got a rocket shot, he's great at clearing the crease, good leadership qualities, won't back down vs anyone, and hardly anyone can "outmuscle" him.

    I know Hannan is good too... but i think Souray would of been better. What do you guys think?
     
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    Aucoin is light-years better than both.
     
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    Keep dreaming
     
  4. Canada's Defense is dropping like flies.

    I can guarentee in an environment where everybody is getting injured, Souray is probably not going to escape that inevitability.
     
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    Souray had 1 solid year, he isn't even that good...
     
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    You know, you're right!

    Souray's DECENT year surely makes him better than all the years that Aucoin has proven himself!
     
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    Im backing up the Hannan pick, besides if Souray came instead, he'd probably get injured anyway..
     
  8. degroat*

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    Hannen getting picked over Aucoin made me, an American, happy.
     
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    Who do you pick ? The Souray of late 03 early 04 ? The Hannan of spring 04 ? Latest strong play wins, Hannan is a good choice.
     
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    Souray was absolutely horrible during the playofs. It remains to be seen if the first half of the season was a breakthrough or an aberration.
     
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    I think Souray is a solid d-man, he was probably playing over his head in the 1st half, and probably underachieving in the playoffs, I think Souray is somewhere in between of what you saw last year...last year's numbers will probably be career highs for him, but I think he'll settle in a be a solid #2 guy and a definite consideration for the next Team Canada
     
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    Hannan is stronger and much better defensively than Souray. I think management felt he'd be a better fit, as Souray isn't going to see any power play time with the team regardless, and isn't really a defensive specialist either. Same goes for McCabe when it really comes down to it, although I suspect McCabe is ahead of Souray on the team's depth chart.

    Aucoin would have been fine to include, but I think at the time management was thinking if a few d-men have to sit in the press box at #7 - 8 on the depth chart, it would be better to have them be a few of the younger guys who will play in future international tourney's. Good experience for them. At the same time, Hannan certainly showed in the playoffs he's up to the task. I don't think Aucoin brings that much more too the table than either Hannan or J-Bo, other than a bit more offence and the ability to play a ton of minutes, but the problem for Aucoin is that neither of these attributes would he be required in his role on the team.
     
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    Aucoin would have been a better choice over Hannan, but Hannan is definetly a better pick than Souray. Souray scored something like 14 goals in the first half and then went quite. He's solid defensively, but he's not elite, and he was atrocious in the playoffs.

    It comes down to playoff performance. Souray sucked, and Aucoin was only around for about a week. Hannan's team went deep and thus he got a chance to show what he can do, and he was picked based on that.
     
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    so was Regehr, they earned their way on to the team
     
  16. Im amazed at how underrated scott hannan is, the canadian team doesn't need a bunch of offensive defensemen...they have plenty of guys who can do it.
     
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    Yeah, and I remeber a lot of people saying that Regehr would never play a game in the tournament. Well so far, he's been extremely impressive. He absolutely owned the US and played another sound game vs the Slovaks. The duo of Niedermayer-Regehr has been our best pairing IMO.
     
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    Where is McCabe?
     
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    like who?

    MacInnis and Blake are out, Canada's staple offensive defensemen for years. Pronger and Jovo are both out, who play a 2-way role. Redden could be gone (supposed to be out for the game against Russia), and is at best going to play injured.

    Niedermayer is the only steady offense producing defensemen Canada has left. Foote, Hannan, and Regehr are stay-at-homers. Bouwmeester and Brewer have yet to reach 30 points at the NHL level.

    if Redden is out for good Canada can make an emergency call-up. i'd hope it would be one of Aucoin, McCabe, or Morris to provide a little puck movement from the back end.
     
  20. Kasparov*

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    Yeah...

    I would of taken in this order...

    Mccabe > Souray > Hannan
     
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    Aucoin is ahead of those three, and Hannan is ahead of Souray, so there you go:
    Aucoin > Mccabe > Hannan >*Souray
     
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    It all depends on how healthy Souray is. After he came back from his knee injury this year, he was never the same. If he stays healthy this year and the next he will definately make team Canada in the future.

    Even though I am a Canadiens fan, I still think that Gretzky made the right call. Hannan earned the sopt with his playoff performance. If I were Gretzky I would have probably taken Aucoin over Souray aswell.

    As for Mccabe, he ranks last out of these 4. Yes he can score but he really is suspect in his own end. He just seems to have these incredible meltdowns in his own end. We don't need that kind of risky business with guys like Gaborik and Forsberg hanging around...
     
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    He has had one good year... don't think that would be enough to qualify.
     
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    Uh, OK.

    Because Aucoin has only been in the top 10 in Norris voting 2 of the last 3 years, something neither Souray nor Hannan has ever been anywhere close to. And he logs more minutes than any defender in hockey outside Pronger and Lidstrom. And he had the best +/- of any Canadian-born defender last year. And he's way better than both Souray and Hannan offensively, and far superior to Souray in his own zone. And he has arguably the best point shot in the NHL. But clearly, he's an inferior player to a journeyman who's played one half-season of high-level hockey in his whole career.

    Keep dreaming yourself, homer.
     
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    Isn't that good? :dunno:

    He turned in to his own in the 2002 playoffs playing with a wrist that was so bugged up that he had to take an entire year off, as well as a seperated shoulder that had to hurt.

    His career, like Koivu.. has been ravaged by injury, so until he has a full season, one cannot tell exactly where Souray lies in terms of top lists of defenders in the NHL... Because from what I've seen, when Souray's on his game and healthy... He is one of the most Poised Defencemen in the NHL. He can truly do it all. So I don't know where your idea of him 'not being any good' came from. Ask any of the teams that stuck 2 players on him when he's on the ice if he's 'any good'.
     
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