GDT: Schneidernator 2: Judgment Day - Devils vs. Wild, 1 PM, MSG+

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tr83

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Another lackluster effort I see. Glad I missed it.

Let me know when Hynes gets his walking papers. Maybe they're raising ticket prices to cover his buy-out
 
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just watched highlights……what in the f*** was cory doing on that first goal against…..wow

also nico needs to finish that breakaway pass from mojo
 

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Parise is a great player, and he should make the HOF if he has a decent end to his career. He's likely going to end his career with 400+ goals with most of his career played in the Dead Puck Era II. There are way worse 500+ goal scorers in the HOF right now. At any rate, if he misses, it's likely because he missed a year of his prime to injury - he was a top player for the Devils, including an MVP-level season in 2008-09.

Another big factor is because other than 2012 he never had a single deep playoff run and likely never will in Minnesota. He's basically Kovalsuck only with less gaudy stats in his prime but a better brand name and two-way play. And he'll compile more numbers for an obvious reason.
 
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just watched highlights……what in the **** was cory doing on that first goal against…..wow

also nico needs to finish that breakaway pass from mojo
I didn't nail him on that goal because there was some chaos, he lost his stick and the guy put it up in the air. I usually nail a goalie on a wraparound, but not if it's put higher and he had the near side shut down. The fourth goal was a pretty lousy goal though. Don't know which one was worse, that goal or Seney's on Dubnyk. Probably that goal, as it actually traveled through the goalie.
 

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Wasn't his first game back like Kovy's was the other night. Parise got it really bad in his first game back but he's played here a few times now I believe even though he missed a few cause of injury.

The first game back will always have the loudest boos.
 

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I don't see Parise in the HOF. He's one of those hall of very good players, like Brad Richards or Lecavalier. He'll probably wind up playing quite a bit longer than those guys though.

He's got 46 points in 53 games this year, which is quite a bit more than what he's been producing the last several years.

He had one pretty poor season 2 or 3 years ago, which was probably worse than he really was. I think I calculated that he's about a 53-55 points per 82 player over the last several years, but I don't think that included this year. At least not since the first month or so.

American hockey hall of fame for sure. Hockey hall of fame, not so much.
 
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NJDevs26

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I just realized that in the last week we've lost to and been scored on by Kovy and Parise, and lost to Lou's new team.

So who are we going to lose to tomorrow that will complete the grand slam of suck? Maybe Calvin deHaan having a first-star game against us when we passed on him in FA?
 

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I don't see Parise in the HOF. He's one of those hall of very good players, like Brad Richards or Lecavalier. He'll probably wind up playing quite a bit longer than those guys though.

He's got 46 points in 53 games this year, which is quite a bit more than what he's been producing the last several years.

He had one pretty poor season 2 or 3 years ago, which was probably worse than he really was. I think I calculated that he's about a 53-55 points per 82 player over the last several years, but I don't think that included this year. At least not since the first month or so.

American hockey hall of fame for sure. Hockey hall of fame, not so much.

He's a much better player than either Lecavalier, Richards, or Kovalchuk. These three players never played a lick of defense.

I don't care how far someone goes into the playoffs. With 31 teams, there are going to be great players who never win anything, or even come close. What other HOF-level players did Parise play with? Elias? Suter? That's about it. Note that I doubt Parise actually gets into the HOF, but he played at that level. Having a hockey-playing dad will no doubt help with the collection of clods that currently select their friends for that honor.
 

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Another lackluster effort I see. Glad I missed it.

Let me know when Hynes gets his walking papers. Maybe they're raising ticket prices to cover his buy-out

If anyone legit thinks them firing him is a possibility then I don’t know what to tell you (them). They extended him amind a horrible season because they know we are rebuilding and are committed to something they see in him and his coaching style.

That and I legit think they decided to try and get the highest draft picks possible to help with the rebuild. Taylor Hall sitting out is all part of this.
 

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some real kovalchuk revisionist history going on in here i see. when he was asked to play a 200 foot game, or kill penalties, he did it better than almost anyone else we had. in large part because he was relentless, and every time he got the puck and some open space, he was a threat.

and that’s not to take anything away from parise. he’s a great player, great attitude (which was a problem that plagued kovy), great guy...shitty contract though
 

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Richards won, what, 2 cups with L.A.? And his grit was very close to Zach’s. Two very competitive dudes.

It’s really hard to compare Zach with both Richards and Lecavalier because their roles and positions were so different.

But as to Zach or Kovalchuck, whom we watched play side by side here, I’d choose Zach every time because of exactly that grit, doggedness, lunch pail game but combined with more skill than nearly anyone else who played the game in his style.

Guy Zach most resembles? Different era but John Bucyk.
 

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It would have been even worse that summer, but in some ways, I think Parise might've been the perfect winger to play alongside Crosby.

crosby tried to lure him, if i remember correctly. that would’ve been ridiculous
 

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some real kovalchuk revisionist history going on in here i see. when he was asked to play a 200 foot game, or kill penalties, he did it better than almost anyone else we had. in large part because he was relentless, and every time he got the puck and some open space, he was a threat.

and that’s not to take anything away from parise. he’s a great player, great attitude (which was a problem that plagued kovy), great guy...****ty contract though

Kovalchuk's whole-ass non-defense playing was probably better than his half-ass defense playing. He was, and still is, a poor defensive player. Yes, he backchecked, and yes, he learned how to play defense in the D zone. Yes, he killed penalties, as if this is only the realm of great defensive players. He still never learned how to angle forwards or force turnovers on the forecheck, so his line never did more than break even in shots, and his 5 on 5 scoring declined significantly the instant he learned defense.
 
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Plus when did Parise ever truly have HOF years? He had two in a row from 2008-2010, but arguably never had another one. Other than those two years, he topped out at 31 goals and 69 points for us in 2011-12. Even in the 'dead puck' era those aren't consistent elite, star numbers that get you in the HOF. I'm not sure if hockey puts a lot of compilers in because I don't really know HOF'ers offhand but that would be the only way Parise makes it, if he could somehow compile magic numbers like 500 goals or 1000 points. Patrik Elias has over 1000 points and people 'here' still debate should he make the HOF.
 
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So who are we going to lose to tomorrow that will complete the grand slam of suck? Maybe Calvin deHaan having a first-star game against us when we passed on him in FA?

There are several choices really. Aho could score a hat trick and we'll hear from a certain someone that we should have drafted him instead of Zacha. Niederreiter could score and we'll hear about why couldn't Shero get him. Or my personal favorite, Ryan Murphy (former Carolina pick) will play and score an own goal.
 

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Kovalchuk's whole-ass non-defense playing was probably better than his half-ass defense playing. He was, and still is, a poor defensive player. Yes, he backchecked, and yes, he learned how to play defense in the D zone. Yes, he killed penalties, as if this is only the realm of great defensive players. He still never learned how to angle forwards or force turnovers on the forecheck, so his line never did more than break even in shots, and his 5 on 5 scoring declined significantly the instant he learned defense.

so first you say he didn’t play “a lick of defense”. now you’re saying “well SURE, he played defense in his own end. and YES, he backchecked, and yes he killed penalties.” then, after scoffing at the idea that those things are indicative of good defensive play, you cap it off with “he never learned how to angle forwards” and you complain about his 5 on 5 scoring. do i have that right?
 

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There are several choices really. Aho could score a hat trick and we'll hear from a certain someone that we should have drafted him instead of Zacha. Niederreiter could score and we'll hear about why couldn't Shero get him. Or my personal favorite, Ryan Murphy (former Carolina pick) will play and score an own goal.
Jacob Slavin was a monster on D last night. Maybe we’ll find a way to lament not getting him.
 

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I don't see Parise in the HOF. He's one of those hall of very good players, like Brad Richards or Lecavalier. He'll probably wind up playing quite a bit longer than those guys though.

He's got 46 points in 53 games this year, which is quite a bit more than what he's been producing the last several years.

He had one pretty poor season 2 or 3 years ago, which was probably worse than he really was. I think I calculated that he's about a 53-55 points per 82 player over the last several years, but I don't think that included this year. At least not since the first month or so.

American hockey hall of fame for sure. Hockey hall of fame, not so much.

He would need a cup win as a contributor not just someone there at age 40 getting a ring to be considered hof
 

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Richards won, what, 2 cups with L.A.? And his grit was very close to Zach’s. Two very competitive dudes.

It’s really hard to compare Zach with both Richards and Lecavalier because their roles and positions were so different.

But as to Zach or Kovalchuck, whom we watched play side by side here, I’d choose Zach every time because of exactly that grit, doggedness, lunch pail game but combined with more skill than nearly anyone else who played the game in his style.

Guy Zach most resembles? Different era but John Bucyk.

Lol Zach over kovy? Your nuts. Zach couldn’t get this team past the second round in 10 years? Kovy did it in 2. Zach couldn’t dominate a shit or the play by himself. Kovy could. Kovy played over 20 mins a night as a forward! There’s a reason the wild haven’t been past the second round since he got there.
 
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Another big factor is because other than 2012 he never had a single deep playoff run and likely never will in Minnesota. He's basically Kovalsuck only with less gaudy stats in his prime but a better brand name and two-way play. And he'll compile more numbers for an obvious reason.

So you think he gets in IF he continues to play well throughout his career?

EDIT : Nevermind. Just saw your comment on compilers. So longevity is not a path to the HOF apparently.



I don't see Parise in the HOF. He's one of those hall of very good players, like Brad Richards or Lecavalier. He'll probably wind up playing quite a bit longer than those guys though.

He's got 46 points in 53 games this year, which is quite a bit more than what he's been producing the last several years.

He had one pretty poor season 2 or 3 years ago, which was probably worse than he really was. I think I calculated that he's about a 53-55 points per 82 player over the last several years, but I don't think that included this year. At least not since the first month or so.

American hockey hall of fame for sure. Hockey hall of fame, not so much.

Yeah. I can see him make the U.S. Hockey HOF.

He's one of the better players.
 
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