Scapegoat Yakupov and double standards (Eberle)

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  1. JamieG

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    So, it's quite clear that Yakupov is the scapegoat and is highlighted for everything he does wrong.

    But doesn't the double standards bother everyone? Or do people actually believe only Yakupov deserves to be the one to blame out of the "kids"?

    Perfect example tonight against Tampa Bay; Yakupov bails in a successful attempt to avoid getting his head taken off, and it results in Stamkos' first goal. Replays are shown repeatedly and announcers highlight the fact that the goal was Yakupov's fault.

    Not too long after, Eberle coughs up the puck in his own zone, then is slow to get back on the defensive zone coverage and it results in another Stamkos goal. Eberle's name is not even mentioned on replays.

    Why the double standards? Is it just the Russian factor? The old stereotype, Yakupov is the showboating, lazy, heartless Russian that doesn't care, while someone like Eberle is the heart and soul Canadian boy that always gives 110%, so of course lay into the Russian?
     
  2. agree 100%, Eberle can't do any wrong in people's eyes even though he makes alot of mistakes, and is in his 4th year, while Yakupov is 60 games into his career.
     
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    Yakupov has been bad, real bad. Eberle makes dumb plays to but still puts up points....
     
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    Yak is a rookie making rookie mistakes. Eberle is in his 4th year, making rookie mistakes. His marginal secondary assist points are a non factor in this conversation.


    There's such a obvious double standard.
     
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    If Yakupov was producing people would look past some of the mistakes. Pretty simple really
     
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    Ebs has 13 points in 17 games and is -3. Yak has 3 points and is -14. Eberle is playing poorly, but Yak is seriously struggling.
     
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    Edmonton's media NEVER liked Yakupov, even when he was the team's top goal-scorer as a rookie. Eberle has a semi-iconic status in Canada going back to his WJC days, he's had some serious success in the NHL in his first couple of years, and, last but not least, Eberle has been putting up points even when playing like ****.
     
  8. JamieG

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    Eberle is also given a lot more ice time and is not benched (healthy scratch) by the coach like happens to Yakupov.

    And as others have pointed out, Eberle is in his 4th year and Yakupov is 60 games into his career.

    It just bothers me that when Yakupov makes a mistake, it's highlighted and he's the reason for failure. While in the same period, Eberle makes a mistake and people don't say a word about the goal against being Eberle's fault.
     
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    That first goal was directly Yakupovs fault. Eberles turnover resulted in a goal, but it wasn't as direct. Also, to those saying Eberle played bad, you're wrong. Although he lost the puck a few time, he set up both goals. He didn't just get the assists, he put the puck on a silver platter for Fedun and Hall on their respective goals. His offensive positives outweighed his defensive negatives tonigh.

    That being said, I do think we are giving Yak more flak than he deserves. You can clearly tell his effort is there, he just doesnt know how to control that effort at the NHL level yet. Sooner or later everything will click for Yak, and when it does, he will be deadly.
     
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    DIRECTLY YAKUPOV'S FAULT??? Did you watch the game? Hall gave him a suicide pass, and Yak had to get out of the way of a hit that would have put him out for months. I don't blame him. Sure he botched the reception of the pass a little but it wasn't all his fault.
     
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    This double standard also applies not only to Eberle but to Hemsky as well. Hemsky is an atrocious give away machine nearly every night. Everything Yak does is under a magnifying glass while others are given a free pass.
     
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    This is what I saw
     
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    Sorry, but how many of these threads/posts do we really need?
     
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    How long can Eberle live off three goals scored against 20 & under players from a few years ago? It's crazy how much those goals has allowed him to evade criticism, not only from the fans, but also the media.
     
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    So much wrong with this post.

    On the Yak goal its an ill advised pass to middle ice in own zone by Taylor Hall, the player many people here wanted to be captain this year. It was a lousy own zone pass thats often going to lead to trouble.

    On the pass to Eberle its a routine play along the boards. Eberle just has to corral, play, chip out, or protect the puck there. Its a play thats made 100 times a game. Eberle completely flubs receiving the pass, gets confused, leaves the puck entirely exposed and Stamkos picks his pocket clean without even slowing down. Thats a critical error, brutal, by Eberle allowing an uncontested pick in own zone which gave Stamkos all kinds of time and space. Then, instead of reacting to get back in the play Eberle coasts towards the action tentatively. With any more urgency he would've been able to swarm Stamkos as he curls out front from around the net. But Eberles just watching..

    FF to the 3rd Lightning goal and thats Eberle, Hopkins out on a shift forever, should've jumped to the bench twice, but get caught out tired (a habit) and Eberle, with no energy, is easily muscled off the puck at the blueline. That was his puck and he didn't get it out. Tampa moves puck downlow and scores. Game over.

    Eberle perfecting by now the nervous tick where he puts his glove in his mouth after every GA. Safer than putting his foot in mouth I guess.. Its almost funny how often you see this and eberle does it every time. That its become routine enough to notice being due to the frequency of GA Eberle chronically gives up.

    Eberle then turns the puck over twice as we pulled the goalie directly resulting in the empty net goal in what was an embarrassing lack of compete on the play. Eberle lost puck, and gave up. No less than 3 times tonight directly leading to goals.

    Not sure either how you think 2 assists makes up for 3 brutal plays by Eberle that end up in our net. Not coincidentally he was -2 on the night.
     
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    Once you get a reputation, people look for that. It's unfortunately going to dog Yakupov for the rest of his career
     
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    I'm gunna have to agree with the "13 points in 17 games, only -3 on this piss poor team" argument. There's really good evidence as to why it's Yak and not Eberle that's getting flak.

    That said, I don't think we should be running Yak out of town. I also agree with the "60 games into his career" argument, and that he'll need a bit of time to get into his groove again.

    This thread is the product of a sophomore slump and our ****** record. Our team in general is making bad decisions. Rather than focusing on one or two players that are making more mistakes than others, we should really be focusing on those who are playing well (Gordon, Arco.. Hall when he's not hurt, and besides some mistakes that have led to GA, Ebs is having a very decent season on a team that's -24 altogether).
     
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    He's not putting his glove in his mouth, he's taking out his mouthguard.
     
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    Eberle is so overrated defensively. He would have been even more useless than Yakupov as an 18 year old because Yakupov at least has wheels to get him into some areas to help the team out.
     
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    The weird puck juggle by Eberle was bad, what's worse is he glides by stamkos in front of the net watching him score !?!? Atleast try to check stamkos after that giveaway

    Also:
    Trading yak for anything less than a top 5 G or D will be a huge mistake a few years from now.
     
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    It's pretty annoying.

    Eberle makes the same(and sometimes worse) mistakes that Yak is being benched for, but because he chips in a couple secondary assists here and there, Eakins ignores it.

    Hell, Eakins even rewards Eberle with PK time because of his defensive play.
     
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    And not to mention Yak was the first forward back on many accuations on breakaways tonight. He also had two really good setups that Hall and Gordon should have scored on in the game.

    I think Nail is getting more focused and gets more momentum when Eakins isn't playing him so much.

    After all this was a step forward for Yak!
     
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    Pretty well it., but then again no surprise and nothing phases me anymore by all the garbage surrounding this organization / media.

    Eberle is awarded PP time for his poor defense 2.47 last nite whtile Yaks zero, zilch, nada., is this more than Eakins making the call or orders are coming from above
     
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    I was calling out Eberle a year ago for this crap. To be fair, earlier in the season I didn't see it but it appears he has reverted to his old bad habits - namely, coughing the puck up in the neutral zone, then standing like a deer in the headlights while the opponent races past him for q scoring opportunity with minimal effort to get back into the defensive zone.

    As a rookie, Ebs cheated defensively. That's fair, a lot of rookies do the same.

    Last year when he did it, it was troubling but understandable.

    Now... I'm frustrated.
     
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    I guess the double standard doesn't apply to HFOilers....right.
    People have been on the trade Ebs bandwagon quite a bit this year, as well as Yaks.

    Very frustrating.
     

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