Proposal: Saros to CGY

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You do realize there is an extremely large gap between fair value and I'm going to ask for something stupid and outrageous, right?

offering a 2nd & Gillies would be fair.
offering a 1st & Gillies would be an overpayment that might make Nashville think.
but suggesting Matthew Tkachuk is downright moronic.

It's almost as if you didnt read the thread.
 

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Gaudreau or Tkachuk for Saros? Well, you're out of your damn minds.

You do realize there is an extremely large gap between fair value and I'm going to ask for something stupid and outrageous, right?

offering a 2nd & Gillies would be fair.
offering a 1st & Gillies would be an overpayment that might make Nashville think.
but suggesting Matthew Tkachuk is downright moronic.

Woooah no

Gaudreau no, Tkachuk easily worth him.

Nope.

Calgary is best to just wait until next summer. Many o goalie kicking around.

Not a damn chance. Tkachuk is six years younger than Gaudreau.

There's a couple pages of the thread you all need to catch up on....
 
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This is a few uneducated members of a fanbase not understanding value. It is nothing like us wanting to keep Bennett. We just wouldn't trade Bennett for a 2nd round pick. If someome offered a Gaudreau or Tkachuk we are smart enough to say yes.

It's like you're not even reading the posts you're replying to. The point is, the Preds would say yes.

After next season, the plan is for Saros to take over for Rinne seamlessly as he's been slowly (strategically) groomed to do so. So to trade him a few years into this process for straight value wouldn't make sense (unless he really starts to suck). The Preds are also in a possible cup window. So yes, it wouldn't make any sense for Calgary to take too much time to inquire as it would take one of those players.
 

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And there are some Flames fans who are out of their damned minds to ask for Saros.
It should be ok to ask. I mean, we don't all track the ins and outs of every team like the hometown fans do. But then the key is when you do ask, and it comes out that the price is something so high as to ensure no deal can be made, and ample justification for setting that price is provided, then it should also be ok to just politely walk away and leave it at that too.

That could have been accomplished a lot earlier in this thread.
 
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It should be ok to ask. I mean, we don't all track the ins and outs of every team like the hometown fans do. But then the key is when you do ask, and it comes out that the price is something so high as to ensure no deal can be made, and ample justification for setting that price is provided, then it should also be ok to just politely walk away and leave it at that too.

That could have been accomplished a lot earlier in this thread.
There is zero justification in suggesting a star forward like Gaudreau, that is provocation, not justification because whomever suggested it knew exactly where that would snowball to.
 

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There is zero justification in suggesting a star forward like Gaudreau, that is provocation, not justification because whomever suggested it knew exactly where that would snowball to.
Sure there is as that is the kind of value Saros holds for us right now.

We have zero reason to move Saros, in fact it would be stupid to do so. This makes his value to Nashville in the realm of a player that is a no brainer to say yes too.

Saros individual value isn't that great, but his value to Nashville is very high. The entire point Nashville fans have been trying to make is that if it isn't a clear win and the rest of the league isn't mocking Calgary for making the deal, then Saros isn't worth trading.

His individual value isn't worth that, but that is what it would take for David Poile to take the gamble of finding a replacement for Saros and Rinne.
 

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Sure there is as that is the kind of value Saros holds for us right now.

We have zero reason to move Saros, in fact it would be stupid to do so. This makes his value to Nashville in the realm of a player that is a no brainer to say yes too.

Saros individual value isn't that great, but his value to Nashville is very high. The entire point Nashville fans have been trying to make is that if it isn't a clear win and the rest of the league isn't mocking Calgary for making the deal, then Saros isn't worth trading.

His individual value isn't worth that, but that is what it would take for David Poile to take the gamble of finding a replacement for Saros and Rinne.
This is the biggest load of shit I have ever read. Yes, Saros' value is higher to Nashville than other club, there is no dispute there. But if they were offered assets that could be used to replace him, they would take it. It's doesn't need to be a star player and using a name like Gaudreau to drive home your point is not justified, it's going to cause nothing more than arguments.

If you want to make a point that isn't going to lead to you looking bad, use an example like a 1st, a top prospect and a good goaltending prospect. It's way more than Saros is worth but not going to start shit.
 

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There is zero justification in suggesting a star forward like Gaudreau, that is provocation, not justification because whomever suggested it knew exactly where that would snowball to.

There was also no justification in suggesting that Saros was available, so your argument applies to this whole useless thread
 
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This is the biggest load of **** I have ever read. Yes, Saros' value is higher to Nashville than other club, there is no dispute there. But if they were offered assets that could be used to replace him, they would take it. It's doesn't need to be a star player and using a name like Gaudreau to drive home your point is not justified, it's going to cause nothing more than arguments.

If you want to make a point that isn't going to lead to you looking bad, use an example like a 1st, a top prospect and a good goaltending prospect. It's way more than Saros is worth but not going to start ****.
Why would we do that? We dont need the 1st, or the top prospect or a goalie prospect, what we need is someone we know can replace Rinne as a starter after this season.

It's what you dont seem to be getting, all of what you posted is more value than what Saros is worth, but if you don't need it and you are trying to get a cup then its basically worthless.

It's not a matter of value, it's a matter of what it would take to get a team to even think about letting a guy go, especially one that could extend their cup window. Teams in that position aren't trading for prospects, picks and maybe's unless they are moving a guy they can't sign or have no intention to sign.
 
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This is the biggest load of **** I have ever read. Yes, Saros' value is higher to Nashville than other club, there is no dispute there. But if they were offered assets that could be used to replace him, they would take it. It's doesn't need to be a star player and using a name like Gaudreau to drive home your point is not justified, it's going to cause nothing more than arguments.

If you want to make a point that isn't going to lead to you looking bad, use an example like a 1st, a top prospect and a good goaltending prospect. It's way more than Saros is worth but not going to start ****.
You still don't get it though. Because, no, the Preds would NOT take a 1st, a top prospect, and a good goaltending prospect. Yet again, what they WOULD take would be something so astronomically stupid like Gaudreau that they'd really have no choice but to take it, despite how much it might disrupt their current plans in goal. But which of course Calgary would not remotely contemplate offering. The mention is precisely illustrative of the degree of overpayment it would take. It may sound crazy... but it was meant to. And it's precisely at that point that a Calgary fan, eyes wide in shock, might say, whooboy, ok, never mind Saros then, and walk away from the thread. No further argument needed.
 

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Why would we do that? We dont need the 1st, or the top prospect or a goalie prospect, what we need is someone we know can replace Rinne as a starter after this season.

It's what you dont seem to be getting, all of what you posted is more value than what Saros is worth, but if you don't need it and you are trying to get a cup then its basically worthless.

It's not a matter of value, it's a matter of what it would take to get a team to even think about letting a guy go, especially one that could extend their cup window. Teams in that position aren't trading for prospects, picks and maybe's unless they are moving a guy they can't sign or have no intention to sign.

You still don't get it though. Because, no, the Preds would NOT take a 1st, a top prospect, and a good goaltending prospect. Yet again, what they WOULD take would be something so astronomically stupid like Gaudreau that they'd really have no choice but to take it, despite how much it might disrupt their current plans in goal. But which of course Calgary would not remotely contemplate offering. The mention is precisely illustrative of the degree of overpayment it would take. It may sound crazy... but it was meant to. And it's precisely at that point that a Calgary fan, eyes wide in shock, might say, whooboy, ok, never mind Saros then, and walk away from the thread. No further argument needed.

Reading posts like this are downright f***ing laughable. What I suggested asking for, would be more than enough to replace Saros with an even better option, but keep sticking to your guns :thumbu:
 

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Reading posts like this are downright ****ing laughable. What I suggested asking for, would be more than enough to replace Saros with an even better option, but keep sticking to your guns :thumbu:
Ok name that option then, we need a name, not a hope and prayer.

Oh and that name needs to be able to possibly be a starter this season.
 
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Ok name that option then, we need a name, not a hope and prayer.

Oh and that name needs to be able to possibly be a starter this season.
Why can't it be two names? A replacement for Saros this season and a replacement for Rinne in the summer? It doesn't have to be one and the same. Say, Mike Condon for the rest of this season and it would give the assets to replace Rinne with someone like Corey Schneider for example.
 

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Why can't it be two names? A replacement for Saros this season and a replacement for Rinne in the summer? It doesn't have to be one and the same. Say, Mike Condon for the rest of this season and it would give the assets to replace Rinne with someone like Corey Schneider for example.
Why would NJ let go of Schneider, and why would we want to take on that cap hit? Heck if that's the case why wouldn't the Flames just trade for Schneider? This also is assuming you can get a guy like that after the fact to begin with. That doesn't even bring up the fact Saros is far younger.

I think we will just keep Saros unless someone is willing to hand us something stupid like has been suggested in this thread.
 

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Reading posts like this are downright ****ing laughable. What I suggested asking for, would be more than enough to replace Saros with an even better option, but keep sticking to your guns :thumbu:

No it wouldnt. No matter how many times you say you're right, you are in fact wrong. You arent even a Preds fan, you dont know squat about our team, and your posts are laughably arrogant. Please stop already.
 
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Why can't it be two names? A replacement for Saros this season and a replacement for Rinne in the summer? It doesn't have to be one and the same. Say, Mike Condon for the rest of this season and it would give the assets to replace Rinne with someone like Corey Schneider for example.
Why would we do that convoluted crap when we have the players we want right now? You cant assume the second trade would even happen. This is silly.
 
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Saros has nowhere even close to the value of Gaudreau. I understand that it would take an overpayment to acquire him, but using him as an example is just being hyperbolic and shutting down any discussion.
 

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